Just to be very German and formally correct, I hereby make the formal proposal to approve the reopening of Dutch Wikinews. [Its closure was an idiotic idea in the first place.] The test-project on Incubator is active for 6 continuous months now, and the MediaWiki translation in Dutch is always very complete.
2017-05-30 13:12 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <[email protected]>: > Thank you, Jan - very helpful! > > I herewith drop my opposition to nl.wikinews.org being re-opened again. > I'm still not convinced that it will be sustainable in the long run - after > all, it has been closed before [1] - but the requirements have been met. > So, I'm now neutral, i.e. *don't* count me as a yes vote. > > Fwiw, > Oliver > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_ > projects/Closure_of_Dutch_Wikinews > > On 29-May-17 23:37, Jan van Steenbergen wrote: > > The accusation that the main editor is a blocked (ex-)contributor to WP:NL > is incorrect. I take it the person you're hinting at is De Wikischim. Well, > I can tell you this: DW is a long-time Wikipedia editor with an improbably > high number of edits. The problem with him is, in short, that he is unaware > of his own limitations. He has a habit of voicing opinions and editing > articles about subjects he doesn't know anything about, which causes > irritation among several other users. Besides, he is overly present in > discussions about policies, moderators and other meta stuff. At last, his > discussion methods are not appreciated by many (constantly repeating the > same arguments instead of answering questions, ad hominems, starting the > same discussion elsewhere when he can't get his way, etc.). On the other > hand, I should also mention that he is a good-willing, friendly and helpful > person in general, with undeniable linguistic skills, and that the overall > picture of his contributions to WP:NL is still a positive one. > > Apart from DW, I can see three others who are active on that project. One > of them I don't know, the other two are unproblematic regular editors of > WP:NL. > > I don't care much for Wikinews and it is certainly true that the presence > of DW will prevent some other people from editing there (although I doubt > very much if that situation would have been any different without DW). > However, about the people I know I can at least tell you that they are not > likely to suddenly lose interest or something. From that point of view, I'd > say: let the numbers speak for themselves. If there is a rule that says > minimum X months of constant activity by at least Y users, and that > condition has been fulfilled, then there is no reason to make an exception > here. > > Otherwise, I'd say: let's see how it evolves. If activity won't fade even > during the next (half) year, then I'd give it a go. > > Cheers, > Jan > > 2017-05-29 22:29 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <[email protected]>: > >> Thanks for making us aware of this. >> >> I cannot say that I had a particular opinion to start with, especially >> not being familiar with Wikinews. However, having read some guidelines, >> particularly on content [1] and on writing [2], and then comparing that >> with the arguments in the discussion [3] and what has been posted on >> nl:wn/incubator (I do read Dutch!), I have to say that the case does not >> convince me. >> >> 1. the accusation that a significant amount of articles is simply copied >> from other news outlets (in violation of WN:OR) seems to be accurate. >> 2. the accusation that the main editor is a blocked (ex-)contributor to >> nl:wp seems to be accurate. >> 3. while this is actually the fourth month that the minimum of three >> editors have been active, the competencies needed to keep a distinctive >> Wikinews project running do not look promising in this little group. >> >> All of this to say that I am not confident that this project will be >> viable if it leaves the Incubator. (And I'm not claiming that it would be >> viable in the Incubator either.) I'd be happy to be proven wrong and >> convinced otherwise, so I'm all ears. >> >> Fwiw, >> Oliver >> >> [1] https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Content_guide >> [2] https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Writing_an_article >> [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Requ >> est_for_launching_Wikinews.2C_Dutch_version >> >> On 29-May-17 21:08, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> Some people wondered about the state of Dutch Wikinews at >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_ >> noticeboard#No_answers_from_Language_committ.C3.A9e >> >> There was already some discussion about it at >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Requ >> est_for_launching_Wikinews.2C_Dutch_version >> >> and there were different opinions. >> >> I'm neutral about this matter. 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