Hoi,
Ok.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 13 June 2017 at 04:54, MF-Warburg <[email protected]> wrote:
> Just to be very German and formally correct, I hereby make the formal
> proposal to approve the reopening of Dutch Wikinews.
> [Its closure was an idiotic idea in the first place.]
> The test-project on Incubator is active for 6 continuous months now, and
> the MediaWiki translation in Dutch is always very complete.
>
>
> 2017-05-30 13:12 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <[email protected]>:
>
>> Thank you, Jan - very helpful!
>>
>> I herewith drop my opposition to nl.wikinews.org being re-opened again.
>> I'm still not convinced that it will be sustainable in the long run - after
>> all, it has been closed before [1] - but the requirements have been met.
>> So, I'm now neutral, i.e. *don't* count me as a yes vote.
>>
>> Fwiw,
>> Oliver
>>
>> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projec
>> ts/Closure_of_Dutch_Wikinews
>>
>> On 29-May-17 23:37, Jan van Steenbergen wrote:
>>
>> The accusation that the main editor is a blocked (ex-)contributor to
>> WP:NL is incorrect. I take it the person you're hinting at is De Wikischim.
>> Well, I can tell you this: DW is a long-time Wikipedia editor with an
>> improbably high number of edits. The problem with him is, in short, that he
>> is unaware of his own limitations. He has a habit of voicing opinions and
>> editing articles about subjects he doesn't know anything about, which
>> causes irritation among several other users. Besides, he is overly present
>> in discussions about policies, moderators and other meta stuff. At last,
>> his discussion methods are not appreciated by many (constantly repeating
>> the same arguments instead of answering questions, ad hominems, starting
>> the same discussion elsewhere when he can't get his way, etc.). On the
>> other hand, I should also mention that he is a good-willing, friendly and
>> helpful person in general, with undeniable linguistic skills, and that the
>> overall picture of his contributions to WP:NL is still a positive one.
>>
>> Apart from DW, I can see three others who are active on that project. One
>> of them I don't know, the other two are unproblematic regular editors of
>> WP:NL.
>>
>> I don't care much for Wikinews and it is certainly true that the presence
>> of DW will prevent some other people from editing there (although I doubt
>> very much if that situation would have been any different without DW).
>> However, about the people I know I can at least tell you that they are not
>> likely to suddenly lose interest or something. From that point of view, I'd
>> say: let the numbers speak for themselves. If there is a rule that says
>> minimum X months of constant activity by at least Y users, and that
>> condition has been fulfilled, then there is no reason to make an exception
>> here.
>>
>> Otherwise, I'd say: let's see how it evolves. If activity won't fade even
>> during the next (half) year, then I'd give it a go.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jan
>>
>> 2017-05-29 22:29 GMT+02:00 Oliver Stegen <[email protected]>:
>>
>>> Thanks for making us aware of this.
>>>
>>> I cannot say that I had a particular opinion to start with, especially
>>> not being familiar with Wikinews. However, having read some guidelines,
>>> particularly on content [1] and on writing [2], and then comparing that
>>> with the arguments in the discussion [3] and what has been posted on
>>> nl:wn/incubator (I do read Dutch!), I have to say that the case does not
>>> convince me.
>>>
>>> 1. the accusation that a significant amount of articles is simply copied
>>> from other news outlets (in violation of WN:OR) seems to be accurate.
>>> 2. the accusation that the main editor is a blocked (ex-)contributor to
>>> nl:wp seems to be accurate.
>>> 3. while this is actually the fourth month that the minimum of three
>>> editors have been active, the competencies needed to keep a distinctive
>>> Wikinews project running do not look promising in this little group.
>>>
>>> All of this to say that I am not confident that this project will be
>>> viable if it leaves the Incubator. (And I'm not claiming that it would be
>>> viable in the Incubator either.) I'd be happy to be proven wrong and
>>> convinced otherwise, so I'm all ears.
>>>
>>> Fwiw,
>>> Oliver
>>>
>>> [1] https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Content_guide
>>> [2] https://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Writing_an_article
>>> [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Requ
>>> est_for_launching_Wikinews.2C_Dutch_version
>>>
>>> On 29-May-17 21:08, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Some people wondered about the state of Dutch Wikinews at
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_n
>>> oticeboard#No_answers_from_Language_committ.C3.A9e
>>>
>>> There was already some discussion about it at
>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Requ
>>> est_for_launching_Wikinews.2C_Dutch_version
>>>
>>> and there were different opinions.
>>>
>>> I'm neutral about this matter. Does anybody in the committee have a
>>> particular opinion on it?
>>>
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