Hoi, The point of eligibility is that when it is eligible it will mean that all other requirements are fulfilled, a new project will start. This does not apply in this situation. We do not tell Incubator what to do. We do tell them that a project has a prospect or not for the creation of a full project. Thanks, GerardM
On 13 June 2018 at 16:34, Steven White <koala19...@hotmail.com> wrote: > Gerard, your opinion puts me into a difficult situation. The formal > "Requests for new languages" page does not specifically request a > Latin-alphabet project. It simply requests a project. The language has > enough speakers to be eligible by policy. Unless somebody checks out the > project and tells me that what is written is not Khorasani Turkic at all, > the project has enough activity to be eligible by policy. And under normal > circumstances it is not our role to tell a community in Incubator how to > run its project. > > > For these reasons, I don't really see a policy-based justification for not > marking this request "eligible". The test is not so active that it will get > anywhere near approvability any time soon. So I think for now, we have to > mark it eligible. And if and when it comes up for approval, we can decide > what to do at that point. > > > Steven > > > Sent from Outlook <http://aka.ms/weboutlook> > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Langcom <langcom-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org> on behalf of > langcom-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <langcom-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 13, 2018 3:15 AM > *To:* langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > *Subject:* Langcom Digest, Vol 57, Issue 5 > > Send Langcom mailing list submissions to > langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > https%3A%2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo% > 2Flangcom&data=02%7C01%7C%7C106a2fb40f1c436e626308d5d0fd7a66% > 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636644709450280769&sdata=4% > 2BFo0uj%2BhrGb%2FOx9Zz9485czTIZo78X%2FtnpJVDbr96Y%3D&reserved=0 > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > langcom-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > langcom-ow...@lists.wikimedia.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Langcom digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 (first > group) (Steven White) > 2. Re: Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 (first > group) (Gerard Meijssen) > 3. Chinese (Gerard Meijssen) > 4. Re: Chinese (Jon Harald Søby) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 15:21:54 +0000 > From: Steven White <koala19...@hotmail.com> > To: "langcom@lists.wikimedia.org" <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 > (first group) > Message-ID: > <BLUPR12MB06918710F000146977737EB59E7F0@BLUPR12MB0691. > namprd12.prod.outlook.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I think the difference between this case and the "Romanized Persian" > situation is that in the "Romanized Persian" case, there is already an > active, solid project in Persian. Thus, anyone wanting to create this > project has to work through the Persian Wikipedia community to make this > happen. In the case of Khorasani Turkic, there is nothing else created in > this language. And the language is inherently eligible. So I think by > policy I need to mark it eligible. By the time it comes to approve the > project, if ever, one of the following will have happened: > > * Because the general script of the language is Perso-Arabic, people > will have come along and changed the content to that script. > * That doesn't happen, but there is evidence of a community that will > make use of the project in Latin script. > * Some combination of the above, where they will have worked out a > modus vivendi between the two while the test is still in Incubator. > > For that reason, I'm not too worried about marking it "eligible". > > Steven > > > Sent from Outlook<https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook. > com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fweboutlook&data=02%7C01%7C% > 7C106a2fb40f1c436e626308d5d0fd7a66%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa > aaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636644709450280769&sdata=%2B6Re4HJQKCuiR2lhiKUosISNSvyCl > y7vrLNm45Mg7iw%3D&reserved=0> > > > ________________________________ > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 20:29:52 +0200 > From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee > <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 > (first group) > Message-ID: > <CAO53wxWRPL4TC8UpO3e1tFUe-bX0arSQEPRiU_MDw5B27RqZKg@ > mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hoi, > It only makes sense to do so when there is a public. It is not a hobby. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 6 June 2018 at 19:37, Michael Everson <sior...@evertype.com> wrote: > > > I have no objection to a Roman alphabet version of editors wish to create > > one. > > > > > On 6 Jun 2018, at 16:17, Steven White <koala19...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Khorasani Turkic (kmz): In theory, the language ought to be eligible. > > But the test is written in a Romanized form, which neither Ethnologue nor > > the enwiki article shows as an ordinary variant. Thoughts? > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > https%3A%2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fpipermail%2Flangcom% > 2Fattachments%2F20180612%2Fed082092%2Fattachment-0001. > html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C106a2fb40f1c436e626308d5d0fd7a66% > 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636644709450280769&sdata= > 4CnS6a8qBXXR2C5UBCnurfXx4PK8uN9ClWvbxEt%2BanY%3D&reserved=0> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 18:09:20 +0200 > From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee > <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 > (first group) > Message-ID: > <CAO53wxXFpfY-+FOVpeMPm=nZ1A9tUMWzr+9eU8PU5M0VbZHfew@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hoi, > You have not explained who this project is targetting. When the editors are > the audience it fails on principles. I disagree that this is an eligible > project. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 12 June 2018 at 17:21, Steven White <koala19...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > I think the difference between this case and the "Romanized Persian" > > situation is that in the "Romanized Persian" case, there is already an > > active, solid project in Persian. Thus, anyone wanting to create this > > project has to work through the Persian Wikipedia community to make this > > happen. In the case of Khorasani Turkic, there is nothing else created in > > this language. And the language is inherently eligible. So I think by > > policy I need to mark it eligible. By the time it comes to approve the > > project, if ever, one of the following will have happened: > > > > > > - Because the general script of the language is Perso-Arabic, people > > will have come along and changed the content to that script. > > - That doesn't happen, but there is evidence of a community that will > > make use of the project in Latin script. > > - Some combination of the above, where they will have worked out a * > > modus vivendi* between the two while the test is still in Incubator. > > > > For that reason, I'm not too worried about marking it "eligible". > > > > Steven > > > > > > Sent from Outlook <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > http%3A%2F%2Faka.ms%2Fweboutlook&data=02%7C01%7C% > 7C106a2fb40f1c436e626308d5d0fd7a66%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa > aaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636644709450280769&sdata=%2B6Re4HJQKCuiR2lhiKUosISNSvyCl > y7vrLNm45Mg7iw%3D&reserved=0> > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 10 Jun 2018 20:29:52 +0200 > > From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > > To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee > > <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> > > Subject: Re: [Langcom] Wikipedia requests from the second half of 2017 > > (first group) > > Message-ID: > > <CAO53wxWRPL4TC8UpO3e1tFUe-bX0arSQEPRiU_MDw5B27RqZKg@ > > mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > Hoi, > > It only makes sense to do so when there is a public. It is not a hobby. > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > On 6 June 2018 at 19:37, Michael Everson <sior...@evertype.com> wrote: > > > > > I have no objection to a Roman alphabet version of editors wish to > create > > > one. > > > > > > > On 6 Jun 2018, at 16:17, Steven White <koala19...@hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > Khorasani Turkic (kmz): In theory, the language ought to be eligible. > > > But the test is written in a Romanized form, which neither Ethnologue > nor > > > the enwiki article shows as an ordinary variant. Thoughts? > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Langcom mailing list > > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > https%3A%2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo% > 2Flangcom&data=02%7C01%7C%7C106a2fb40f1c436e626308d5d0fd7a66% > 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636644709450280769&sdata=4% > 2BFo0uj%2BhrGb%2FOx9Zz9485czTIZo78X%2FtnpJVDbr96Y%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > https%3A%2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fpipermail%2Flangcom% > 2Fattachments%2F20180612%2Fe79a549a%2Fattachment-0001. > html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C106a2fb40f1c436e626308d5d0fd7a66% > 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636644709450280769&sdata= > BENNvwTIsOjk76zeqwdkID9EY5E3B9fz9zGqfcrfbcA%3D&reserved=0> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 18:41:17 +0200 > From: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee > <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: [Langcom] Chinese > Message-ID: > <CAO53wxWsPPALRZazvW4ZEmMck70n3D=T8JQCQdozOHT_kVtQ7g@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hoi, > Chinese is special because the difference between the various flavours of > Chinese are handled in software, not in translatewiki. It works for both > the localisation and the text. > > A question was raised if the Language committee needs to provide permission > for specific versions of Chinese eg Hong Kong or Singapore Chinese. It > means that in code characters are replaced by others.. > > In my opinion this is no different from having American, British, > Australian articles in the English Wikipedia and consequently I think that > we do not have to give our agreement. > > Do you all concur? > Thanks, > GerardM > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > https%3A%2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fpipermail%2Flangcom% > 2Fattachments%2F20180612%2F672d3352%2Fattachment-0001. > html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C106a2fb40f1c436e626308d5d0fd7a66% > 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636644709450280769&sdata= > KKxZTaSyn2rzBpL6t0cY8gU7BS2EovZLpvj8pBsltog%3D&reserved=0> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2018 09:15:34 +0200 > From: Jon Harald Søby <jhs...@gmail.com> > To: Wikimedia Foundation Language Committee > <langcom@lists.wikimedia.org> > Subject: Re: [Langcom] Chinese > Message-ID: > <CAJLFb6UeRE5aYi=0nsXXgP0GiRCswudsV-51hSFnDR4aKKNyyQ@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > What is this in reference to? https://nam01.safelinks. > protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fphabricator. > wikimedia.org%2FT193983&data=02%7C01%7C%7C106a2fb40f1c436e626308d5d0fd > 7a66%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0% > 7C636644709450280769&sdata=0oiMNuYBKn1clQYueV% > 2BZfNwyZshkUk03BAgwRegbrFw%3D&reserved=0 ? > > 2018-06-12 18:41 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>: > > > Hoi, > > Chinese is special because the difference between the various flavours of > > Chinese are handled in software, not in translatewiki. It works for both > > the localisation and the text. > > > > A question was raised if the Language committee needs to provide > > permission for specific versions of Chinese eg Hong Kong or Singapore > > Chinese. It means that in code characters are replaced by others.. > > > > In my opinion this is no different from having American, British, > > Australian articles in the English Wikipedia and consequently I think > that > > we do not have to give our agreement. > > > > Do you all concur? > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Langcom mailing list > > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > > https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > https%3A%2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo% > 2Flangcom&data=02%7C01%7C%7C106a2fb40f1c436e626308d5d0fd7a66% > 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636644709450280769&sdata=4% > 2BFo0uj%2BhrGb%2FOx9Zz9485czTIZo78X%2FtnpJVDbr96Y%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > > -- > mvh > Jon Harald Søby > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > https%3A%2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fpipermail%2Flangcom% > 2Fattachments%2F20180613%2F0f7e3241%2Fattachment.html&data=02%7C01%7C% > 7C106a2fb40f1c436e626308d5d0fd7a66%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaa > aaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636644709450280769&sdata=oOqD1w2ullu6khBG9CQXlr% > 2B2VY8FKouYZppd%2FsA%2FTkU%3D&reserved=0> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url= > https%3A%2F%2Flists.wikimedia.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo% > 2Flangcom&data=02%7C01%7C%7C106a2fb40f1c436e626308d5d0fd7a66% > 7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636644709450280769&sdata=4% > 2BFo0uj%2BhrGb%2FOx9Zz9485czTIZo78X%2FtnpJVDbr96Y%3D&reserved=0 > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Langcom Digest, Vol 57, Issue 5 > ************************************** > > _______________________________________________ > Langcom mailing list > Langcom@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom > >
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