Re: [Laszlo-user] IDE4Laszlo status

[David Temkin]

mt1,

IDE4Laszlo -- we (Laszlo Systems) haven't done anything with it and  
don't plan to. Doesn't mean someone else can't do something with it.

One idea that we're discussing now is to kick off a project to make  
an LZX-based graphical editor. It's scope would be limited to the  
graphical layout, positioning, linkage, attributes, etc of LZX  
objects. It would not be code editing-focused -- there are tons of  
tools for that. It would be written in LZX, and would run in the  
browser. It would support "round-trip" editing, so that you could  
edit with an IDE/code editor, and then the visual editor, and then  
the code editor again, without loss. The back-end, which would read  
and manipulate the LZX files, would be written in Java, and would run  
in the same context as OL itself.

What do you think of this approach? Right now it's just a concept.

- D.

On Mar 22, 2007, at 8:47 PM, mt1 wrote:

David,

What is going on this status ?
Are there any new IDE idea ?

Or dose anyone working on Eclipse IDE version up?

mt1


David Temkin wrote:

Mark,

IDE4Laszlo is no longer being actively developed. In December, the
Eclipse management committee voted to "archive" the project  
because of
a lack of development activity. While it may be resuscitated in the
future, the current state of affairs is that IDE4Laszlo is not an
active Eclipse Foundation project and cannot be downloaded from
eclipse.org.

The OpenLaszlo team is 100% focused on OpenLaszlo 4 now, and doesn't
have the cycles to update the IDE4Laszlo to match OL4, or to address
the various issues with IDE4Laszlo installation and performance. The
IBM engineers who wrote the original code are also otherwise occupied
now, and the project has not garnered enough outside interest to move
it forward in a meaningful way.

In the meantime, we will make a snapshot (source and binary) of
IDE4Laszlo available from OpenLaszlo.org, but it is not supported, is
not compatible with OL4, and its future is not guaranteed.

However, one thing is certain, and that is that some developers would
value an OpenLaszlo-focused IDE. You can get a lot done with an XML-
capable IDE or editor right now, but we definitely understand that
there are advantages to an IDE that is OL-centric, and that those
advantages are critical to some developers.

Toward that end, Laszlo Systems has been investigating various  
options
to restart this project or to initiate an effort to create a  
different
type of IDE altogether. The Laszlo team would welcome anyone
interested in discussing a partnership (open source or commercial)
around an OpenLaszlo IDE. We know that there have been several
separate efforts to build IDEs that support OL; our interest is in a
product-grade IDE that may or may not be an open source project.

Of course, given that IDE4Laszlo is open source, and licensed under
the Eclipse Public License, there is nothing to stop anyone from
nothing to stop anyone from enhancing the code and making it into an
active project, with or without the support of the Eclipse  
Foundation,
Laszlo Systems, or IBM.

I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, and do hope to have better
news sometime after OL4 is released. In the meantime, I would
personally welcome any ideas or proposals from developers on this  
list
that would get the community closer to a production-grade,
OpenLaszlo-focused IDE.

best,

David Temkin
Founder and CTO
Laszlo Systems



On Jan 21, 2007, at 5:39 AM, Patton, Mark J wrote:

Hello All,



I have been trying to locate and download the ide4laszlo eclipse
plugin and have had no luck.



Can anyone tell me where I might find it?



Thanks,

Mark.

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