On 5/27/07, Matthew East <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Incidentally, is there any reason those specifications are on the > ubuntu-women website project? From what I saw of Matthew's original
Initially they were only wiki pages until I associated them with the UW project as specs ... > specification, it was much more broad, and would probably be more > appropriate to the ubuntu project in general (I can't see a way to > associate a blueprint with more than one project). I didnt know any existed so please suggest the name and it can be changed. Is there any other project you would like to link it with ? FWIW, I have associated both specifications as a meeting agenda for uds-boston-2007. If this is not ok, feel free to change it. Either way they are wiki pages easily editable by anyone with an account. > If I've misunderstood, and they are women specific, then ignore me. I would like a broader perspective but certain incidents (being asked for phone numbers, pictures, age, availability, location, etc) happens more to women than men afaik. Harassment is not necessarily gender specific but here women stand out due to their low numbers and when identifiable are the easiest targets. Out of half the world's population, when 1-2 women (a minority) in a team of around 100 members start leaving quietly, which again echoes in different loco-teams across the world, it is definitely not good for the Ubuntu community. > > Not necessarily. People can reveal their real name and still harass a > > woman online simply because "they _can_ get away with it" with no > > absolutely zero consequences. > > I'm more convinced that I was when I originally posted on this thread > that the correct solution to this problem isn't to encourage people to > be anonymous to avoid harassment, ... ahem, Matthew its not about you or what we think is the right way. At the core, its about the _Individual volunteer (both men and women)_ who have the right to decide for themselves if they want to reveal any personal information online or choose to remain anon. However lofty the project, it cannot take away this individual's right to decide mainly because if we cannot offer adequate protection online (never can), then how can we insist that people should keep personal info archived on the web till eternity ? As I mentioned earlier, in any community harassment/inappropriate behaviour is directly related to consequences (to ones actions). Making people _accountable_ for their actions and behaviour, just like peer pressure, is the first step to addressing the issue. When a newcomer sees their peers get away with inappropriate behaviour, inflammatory talk and aggressive flaming, it reinforces the stereotype that this is acceptable behaviour in a Floss project besides being the easiest way to develop a reputation as a geek/hacker. I was discussing this with a Flosspols researcher earlier, but you may already be aware of their research available at : www.flosspols.org For the most part this discussion is going off-topic so if you are interested I will be happy to share more information off-list or on the UW m-list. > [snip] but to change the situation where > people get away with harassment, as Matthias said. Let's work (possibly > on those specs you've posted) to do that. Sounds good. I wanted to add more content but didnt see the point in investing time if it was not going to be accepted by the community after discussion. So, how do you propose we work on it ? Thanks, Vid http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/VidAyer -- launchpad-users mailing list [email protected] Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/launchpad-users
