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>Sue Hartigan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Hi Steve:
>
>I don't know the whole history behind this, but I did talk to an old
>Irish priest, who grew up in Ireland, quite a few years ago about it.
>
>He told me that this war has been going on for a hundred years,
Oh geez, Sue, try 500 years. Some say 800 but that is stretching it.
>and that it will probably be going on for another hundred years.
Only if people want it that way.
>There is no simple solution to it. There is enough blame on both sides to go
>around.
Oh really?
The English tried in the past to exterminate the Irish, they tried selling
them as slaves (the first slaves in the New World were Irish), to be caught
teaching at one time would get you the death penalty. Religion was the
primary driving force. Oliver Cromwell's soldiers testified that some of
the dead Irish had tails like devils. The Black and Tan were infamous
criminals who could choose to be policemen in Ireland rather than be in
prison in England. Here is a description of the Irish Potato Famine from
which Ireland has not recovered its population to this day. It is very
passionate but what would you expect? Johathon Swift, an Englishman who
despised the Irish, wrote his famous satire, "A Reasonable Solution,"
objecting to the massacre:
> The greatest cover-up in history is Britain's 1845-1850 genocide against the
> Irish people. Ireland did not starve for want of potatoes, it starved because
> its food, 30 to 40 shiploads per day, was removed at gunpoint by 200,000
> British soldiers, organized into Food Removal Regiments! The bones of the
> murdered millions are scattered across Ireland and are concentrated in mass
> graves. It was also martyrdom; as they could have saved their lives by
> renouncing their Catholic Faith. They died for faith and freedom, and their
> mass graves are Ireland's holiest places. Yet the souls of these murdered
> millions still cry out to us for justice. After 150 years of silence and
> cover-up, the mass graves containing their sacred remains are still unfenced,
> unmarked and unconsecrated.
>
> The London Times editorial of September 30, 1845, warned: "In England the two
> main meals of a working man's day now consists of potatoes." Grossly
> over-populated relative to its food supply, England's potato dependence was
> excessive, and reckless. In 1845 Blight hit the English potato crop, and in
> 1844 the European potato crop failed, causing food prices to rise. Britain
> responded by ordering Food Removal Regiments to Ireland. England faced famine
> unless it could import vast amounts of alternative food. But it didn't grab
> merely the surplus food of Ireland; or enough Irish food to save England. It
> took more, for profit, and to exterminate the people of Ireland. Bayonets,
> cannons, rifles, the lash, eviction and the gallows were freely used to seize
> Irish food.
>
> Queen Victoria's economist, Nassau Senior, expressed his fear that the
> genocide as planned: "Will kill only one million Irish, and that will
> scarcely be enough to do much good."
>
> An eyewitness urged a stop to the genocide-in-progress, but Treasury Chief
> Charles Trevelyan replied: "We must not complain of what we really want to
> obtain." He refused entry to an American food ship.
>
> Thomas Carlyle; influential British essayist, wrote: "Ireland is like a
> half-starved rat that crosses the path of an elephant. What must the elephant
> do? Squelch it, by heavens, squelch it."
>
> "TOTAL ANNIHILATION," screamed The London Times headline of September 2,
> 1846; and in 1848 its editorialists exulted: "A Celt will soon be as rare on
> the banks of the Shannon as a red man on the banks of Manhattan."
>
> British apologists would do well to ponder the words of the great British
> writer William Makepiece Thackeray who characterized British colonialism in
> Ireland as follows:
>
> "...It is a frightful document against ourselves...one of the most melancholy
> stories in the whole world of insolence, rapine, brutal, endless slaughter
> and persecution on the part of the English master ...no crime ever invented
> by eastern or western barbarians, no torture or Roman persecution or Spanish
> Inquisition, no tyranny of Nero or Alva but can be matched in the history of
> England in Ireland."
>
> In 1861 in The Last Conquest of Ireland, John Mitchel wrote:
>
> "The Almighty indeed sent the potato blight but the English created the
> famine."
>
> Mitchel further observed that "a million and half men, women and children
> were carefully, prudently and peacefully slain by the English government.
> They died of hunger in the midst of abundance which their own hands created.
> There was no famine. There can be no famine in a country overflowing with
> food." He was echoed by George Bernard Shaw fifty years later. But the Big
> Lie prevails.
>
> It would appear that one of the major purposes of Irish revisionism is to
> undermine the basis of Irish nationalism and leave Ireland without heroes or
> historical memory. It also plays down the British responsibility for the
> catastrophic aspects of the Irish experience. Though they alternately whimper
> or crow about their quest for detached truth, Anglo-Irish revisionists
> attempt to present sociopolitical propaganda under the guise of scholarly
> writing. They choose to forget that British rule in Ireland was guided by the
> rope and the bayonet.
>
> In the words of the Irish patriot labor leader James Connolly, "The English
> administration of Ireland during the 'famine' was a colossal crime against
> the human race." We should not forget our holocaust orchestrated by English
> imperialists and we should not let the world forget. Dr. Edward Brennan,
> Ireland's ambassador to Canada, noted: "The Great Famine was Ireland's
> holocaust (which) condemned the Irish to be the first boat people of modern
> Europe."
>
> "Let us not dare to forget the terrible death and suffering that occurred
> between 1845 and 1850. In fact we should indelibly fix it in our personal and
> collective memory for we are our ancestors." - Jane Wilde ( Mother of Oscar)
> on the Irish Genocide.
>
> Weary men, what reap ye? Golden corn for the Stranger.
>
> What sow ye? Human corpses that await the Avenger.
>
> Fainting forms, all hunger stricken, what see you in the offing? Stately
> ships to bear our food away amid the stranger's scoffing.
>
> There's a proud array of soldiers, what do they round your door? They guard
> our masters' granaries from the hands of the poor.
>
> Pale mothers, wherefore weeping? Would to God that we were dead. Our children
> swoon before us, and we cannot give them bread!
>
> We are wretches, famished, scorned, human tools to build your pride,
> But God will yet take vengeance for the souls for whom Christ died.
> Now is your hour of pleasure, bask ye in the world's caress; But our whitening
> bones against ye will arise as witnesses, From the cabins and the ditches,
[etc.,etc.etc.]
What in the name of God would be the other side?
>I just wish that there could be peace, but from what I
>understand about it (which is very little) feelings run deep, and
>tempers run rampid. And until everyone sits down and talks this thing
>out, allows tempers to cool, and feeling to be understood, nothing will
>be worked out.
>
>Sue
Peaple are talking to each other. There is no need whatever to continue
fighting. Steve and his people are no more responsible for the past than
are today's Germans responsible for the Nazi past. But if you understand
the past you can face the future more easily.
Best, Terry
"Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary
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