Just found out that I am still subscribed to this ML but I simply do 
not receive anything (incl. my email password reminder). I don't have 
the slightest idea why... Anyway, to answer  Jan-Peter:

> Wolf, if some people would be interested on such thinks, would you like 
> to distribute also such charts additional to your photographic produced 
> charts ?

Why not. I simply do not see how this can be done cost effective as 
you would need to produce very small amounts of targets on a very 
large number of different setups. After all we need a cost effective 
solution for these customers (otherwise we better buy a 
spectrometer).

But there are a number of things we should not forget: there are many 
cases where costs or technical reasons do not allow producing scanner 
targets using the wanted materials. And even simple cases like yours 
can turn out tricky: you are talking of a 4-7 ink colors printer that 
produces shades by halftoning. So in reality, you still only have 4-7 
inks and the scanner does simply see every dot with all it's 
problems. So halftoning might matter not only on the print, but also 
on the scan. Another problem is, as Graeme noted, that we are talking 
about converting >3 dimensional output space back into a three 
dimensional Lab value. As a result, the separation original used for 
printing does matter as the scanner for instance can't easily tell a 
true black ink from a mixed one.

So I see a number of advantages in building a database and trying to 
add the spectral data of scanner, ink and everything else that is 
easy to get/use. It's not perfect but should get us very close.

Graeme: I agree, spectral characterization of a scanner most likely 
needs more than three dyes. I was surprised about the IEC 61966-8 
standard for spectral characterization of scanners. This standard 
uses only a target simlar to the IT 8.7 target (same layout... just 
more highly saturated colors in order to help the calculation). There 
is even free source and binary code available from 
http://www.ite.rwth-
aachen.de/Inhalt/Forschung/AixSpecScan/scan_cal.html implementing the 
standard. So, there is a standard and tools to get experience. I 
bought the standard some time ago and even added spectral data for my 
targets in hope some applications turns up using the standard so I 
could produce them. But so far, I haven't even found some info on the 
practical experience of using the standard nor had I time to do my 
own tests. As you know, there are actualy a number of articles 
available from SPIE and others handling spectral characterization of 
scanners. Anybody out there with experience about spectral 
characterization of scanners and the accuracy achived willing to 
share his info? Otherwise I am sure to find some time to at least 
provide the necessary targets and data for tests. 

With kind regards

Wolf Faust

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