IANAL but it *shouldn't* be okay to download movies and music that
weren't intended to be downloaded for free, but it *is* legal. Fair
use doctrine makes it legal for the common user, and I am unaware of
any cases that were not settled out of court that were directed
towards individuals that did this. In fact, with the old betamax
trial I would say it is more *legal* than *illegal*. If you can find
a case that actually went through the entire court system and a
person was convicted as guilty for downloading music or movies from
the internet, I would like to see it. I think the question is, "Is
it *moral* or not?"
Jesse
On Oct 24, 2006, at 5:38 AM, Steven McCown wrote:
What you are talking about is what the law *should* be. That can
be a good debate and changing the law might be good.
Even if you think that it *should* be okay to illegally download
music and videos, at the moment it is not. What Scouts should
learn by this is that it is, currently, wrong to illegally download
music and videos. Scouts who illegally download copyrighted
material can and will get caught and be punished. With minors,
their parents will also be held liable. This is something that
should be of real concern to Scouts and their parents. This badge
should help Scouts learn that it is currently wrong to illegally
download content and help keep them on the right side of the law.
There is nothing 'celestial' about someone violating the law for
personal gain.
Steve
On 10/23/06, John Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Steve,
You say:
What's interesting about this particular piece
is that Hollywood is taking an "explain and
educate" angle rather than a more
confrontational "intimidate and litigate".
That's a noteworthy twist given how much
piracy costs Hollywood.
Actually, Hollywood is taking all those angles at once as well as
buying up legislators in order to extend their once limited "rights"
in perpetuity and circumvent consumer rights through legislation such
as the DMCA.
I would love to see the requirements for this patch and see if this is
going to educate scouts on the issues surrounding intellectual
property rights or it is simply going to be more of the same from
Hollywood, that consumers have no rights and that a copyright
violation is the equivalent to holding up a little old lady at
gunpoint. I'm not saying that copyright violation is a good thing,
but that Hollywood consistently mischaracterizes it as the equivalent
of stealing physical property, which is a lie.
I'm hoping that the material surrounding this program is shocking to
me in how even handedly it treats the issues, but I'm not holding me
breath.
So Steve, what do you think scouts need to know about copyright?
later,
John
On 10/23/06, Thomas Haws < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sounds good to me, depending on how you look at it. Giving away
freely is
> celestial. Stealing is telestial. Respecting property rights is
> terrestrial. The world aspires to keep a terrestrial law.
>
>
> On 10/23/06, Steven H. McCown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I guess they feel that they are losing money to the "internet
culture" and
> > that they need to re-educate people that it is wrong to steal.
While 30
> > years ago, truly honest people would never have dared photocopy
a book
> (even
> > if it was free and instantaneous), the "internet culture" has
changed that
> > mindset. This new culture has given us other 'experts' such as
Napster,
> > torrents, etc. that make it technologically easy to do what
once was
> > considered wrong by the mainstream.
> >
> > I remember church talks telling us that it was wrong to steal
cable TV.
> The
> > response of some was, "oh, come on, they're not actually losing
money on
> me,
> > because I wouldn't subscribe anyway and it doesn't really cost
them more
> for
> > just 1 more viewer..." It was still stealing even though some
had really
> > compelling rationalizations...
> >
> > What's interesting about this particular piece is that
Hollywood is taking
> > an "explain and educate" angle rather than a more confrontational
> > "intimidate and litigate". That's a noteworthy twist given how
much
> piracy
> > costs Hollywood.
> >
> > If the next generation of net user grows up having learned that
it is
> wrong
> > to copy [not just photocopy], then we may just end up with less
litigation
> > and that would be a good thing. Wouldn't it?
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan
Murdock
> > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:51 PM
> > To: LDS Open Source Software
> > Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a "Respect Copyrights"
activity badge
> >
> > "The movie industry has developed the curriculum."
> >
> > Oh good, an impartial and fair party, experts in law and the
constitution.
> > :-P
> >
> > Bryan
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