Bao,
good idea, this is where I was headed. Thank you for putting it so
succinctly and clearly. I would continue to suggest that we get as many of
the people who agree that Dave's choice was a mistake to join with Mike.
The strongest way to make an "individual" message is to have supporters!
previously, I said:
>A letter can help us, as the "face" of LRP, put a layer of
>separation between ourselves and Dave's misguided political >message.
Granted, Dave has done a lot of work on LRP, but more >importantly happens
to own the most obvious URL. We need to >clarify that his ownership of one
popular URL does not confer any >extra status on his views. A single, open
letter should do
>that.
I agree we don't have to be politically correct (gets my hair up just
thinking about it) but I do think that if Mike were to post something
without support of the rest of the dev group, it is no different than what
Dave has done.
Who knows, maybe a majority of the developers agree with Dave! And unlike
Dave's site, our names are all on the dev site.
I also think a polite note or statement expressing our disappointment with
Dave's choice does the trick.
But you note that we should want to remain neutral for its potential
benefit. That idea has many merits, except that I hazard to bet that there
is a feeling among many that neutral does not mean unseeing.
We can draft a letter that remains politically neutral without being
supportive of using an open source project for political propagandizing.
A thought, since the project is open source, and so many did contribute, LRP
really isn't' Dave's, it's all of ours, and therefore, if his page is the
widely recognized "source" for LRP, then it is making a statement that
reflects on everyone involved.
I know it may be considered by some to be in bad taste to quote the words of
Pastor Martin Niemoller, but here goes:
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
For some folks, some times, you gotta draw the line.
Morgan Reed
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bao C. Ha
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 9:50 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org
>
>
>
> Perhaps Mike Noyes should put a statement together on
> the Leaf site that we don't agree with Dave using
> a visible open-source project for his own political
> agenda. And then leave at that. I don't think we
> should otracize Dave or try to "punish" him for his
> action.
>
> Lrp is not a commercial product where we have to be
> "politically" correct to survive. We would like to
> remain neutral, however, so we can attract talented
> people to further our "technical" causes.
>
> Furthermore one of the things that makes Linux great
> is our individuality. As a community, we have shown
> our ability to accommodate a wide range of skills,
> personalities, ideologies, ... Everyone should be
> welcome to contribute. The community has been wise
> to pick and choose the best contributions solely on
> technical basis so far. I strongly believe that
> our individuality is the creative fire that has fuel
> the Linux revolution. And our tolerance is what
> has sustained the fire in the last 10 years.
>
> We just need to let Dave knows that his action is
> childish, serving no useful purpose other than
> "alienating" his collegues and peers.
>
> Just my $0.05.
> Bao
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> > Steven Peck
> > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:14 PM
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org
> >
> >
> > I like this idea.
> >
> > LRP/LEAF has an international audience so who cares if you
> > are a registered
> > foreign agent. It's Open Source.
> >
> > I will be out tonight, but can look at anything that is
> > circulated and add
> > my thoughts either late tonight or evening tommorrow.
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------
> > Steven Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sacramento, CA http://leaf.blkmtn.org
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Morgan Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 6:00 PM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: RE: OT Re: [Leaf-devel] linuxrouter.org
> > >
> > >
> > > I have read many good suggestions here, but one I have not
> > > seen mentioned is
> > > an open letter, signed by all (r as many as possible) of the
> > > LEAF-dev team,
> > > expressing our sorrow and disagreement with Dave's decision.
> > > We would then
> > > post this letter for the general LRP list.
> > >
> > > I think that would be enough. If it ever becomes an issue in
> > > the future, a
> > > search of geocrawler will show the sentiment, but I don't
> > > think we will be
> > > causing as big a firestorm as we would if we moved to sever
> > links etc.
> > >
> > > We are, in essence, engaged in a PR campaign for LRP, and as
> > > we saw with the
> > > Linux Gazette article, poorly a informed press leads to
> > > poorly informed
> > > articles. Since Dave C has not put forth the kind of effort
> > > as seen by Rick
> > > in lrp.c0wz, Charles in EigerStein+, DD in Oxygen, Mike in
> > > LEAF and the
> > > countless hours that others have put into LRP, it would be a
> > > travesty if a
> > > disagreement over a clearly wrong, and I personally feel an
> > > immoral stance
> > > by Dave lead to a loss of recognition in the work everyone else has
> > > provided.
> > >
> > > A letter can help us, as the "face" of LRP, put a layer of
> > separation
> > > between ourselves and Dave's misguided political message.
> > > Granted, Dave has
> > > done a lot of work on LRP, but more importantly happens to
> > > own the most
> > > obvious URL. We need to clarify that his ownership of one
> > > popular URL does
> > > not confer any extra status on his views. A single, open
> > > letter should do
> > > that.
> > >
> > > In order to have full disclosure, I should step out of the
> > > shadows a bit on
> > > this. As many of you may know, I actually work in Washington
> > > DC, and used to
> > > work for Congress. I am happy to answer any and all
> > > questions about "how it
> > > works" "are their any conspiracies" "why do they spend all
> > > my/our money"
> > > "why do foreigners get all my tax money" "why are all
> > > politicians corrupt"
> > > and all that. Please note a certain level of sarcasm in
> > the previous
> > > statements, but not in my willingness to answer.
> > >
> > > By the same token, the level of knowledge many of you bring
> > > to Linux, I
> > > bring to issues of Government Relations. If you really care,
> > > run a google
> > > search on Morgan W Reed III. Yes, I am a registered foreign agent.
> > >
> > >
> > > Morgan Reed
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