On Fri, 15 Jun 2001, David Douthitt wrote:
> > We will probably perpetually disagree in our viewpoints here then. Which
> > doesn't matter, diversity == strength :)
>
> Being a vi nut, I'm used to being alone :-)
I use vi solely as my editor when I work as root and when I do I prefer it
to be a _pure_ vi, one that punishes you for every mistyped character and
doesn't try to be "helpful" with flashing colors and flashy texts like
"INSERT MODE" like vim does. I've settled for nvi on linux/bsd machines as
the standard vi for that reason. On IRIX/Solaris I stick to their default
vi, which fits my pain requirements quite well :)
However, if I start doing really complex work (coding) I'll go for a
luser-oriented editor like joe or nedit. I'm even known to grab for a Mac
if I'm really in a weird mood :).
> If the original programmers
> didn't think of it, you can't do it without an OS patch - possibly
> illegally created via reverse engineering, and almost certainly very
> version sensitive. For the worst offenders, if it wasn't programmed
> in, the corporate response is "Why do you want to do that? Just do it
> the right way - our way."
But we're _open source_, so the right response would be "if you code it,
and I like it, I'll include it. If you code it and I hate it, feel free to
start your own project. If you don't code it, forget it because my
priorities are different." Also, we're dealing with a very specific
subset of problems here. I personally limit myself really to the level of
"routing appliance". Other LEAF-subscribers also don't mind adding
packages that turn it into a "network appliance", which mandates already a
bit more flexibility. At the end, flexibility and complexity are just the
same thing with a different Scrabble score :)
> THAT'S what I mean. I don't know if Cisco is that way; Apple was at
> one time.
I've never perceived apple to be "hiding" anything. Just get your copy of
resedit and see how elegant, open and self-documenting the system really
is. Apple had invented the Window Manager (known as a WDEF resource) long
before X was an accepted standard. They also have shitloads of
documentation available known as the Inside Macintosh series of books,
giving access to every little detail of the system in much a better way
than most open source software that tends to stick to "documentation in .c
format." :).
I think that this is my real point: Making things simpler and hiding
things is not a crime, as long as you document how you did it.
Cheers,
Pi
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