Mike, Thank-you for the excellent reply and insight that explains much of the depth, experience, and respect that is rightfully deserved and displayed in this project :-)
On Friday 01 March 2002 11:37, Mike Noyes wrote: > At 2002-02-28 10:51 -0600, guitarlynn wrote: > Gnome and KDE are single platforms that developers can write to. They > use a monolithic development model for the base. Their base is then > used as a resource to build things. Are different Gnome/KDE bases > available to choose from? If not, they don't correlate well to our > project. Yes, very observant, we all have our baseline to work from. I think all of our releases are showing that the baseline is not only being challenged now, but being lowered when compared to the limitations of the past. The only thing monolithic is the package repositories .... I can wait on seeing "kde30.lrp" for a while though :) <snip of completely true statements that leave nothing to be said> > >The acknowledgement and existance of LEAF "affiliates" assumes the > >position that you seem most concerned with, and the only seperation > >between release and affiliate here appears to be the opinion and > >process of the individual lead developer. > > Correct to some extent. However, most of our affiliates crate > components (specifically firewalls) that our developers make use of > when creating releases/branches. This means we don't have to create > something from scratch, and allows for a faster development cycle. It > also provides a synergy between the affiliated projects that is > beneficial to both. It also benefits in vastness of scope that is unmatched in any other project or release/version/distro that I am aware of. Many others are very good products, but very limited in what you can do with them when compared. This is an extreme benefit to the project and releases. > There are a couple of other levels of involvement. Pim van Riezen [1] > decided not to join or affiliate with us, but he does participate on > the mailing lists. Ken Frazier [2] decided he didn't want anything to > do with us. That is disappointing to hear. I'm am in the process of attempting to use cish for some simulation in Cisco (hopefully). This shell could really add a compatibility layer to the project. I hope he wouldn't object to his shell being used with LEAF. David D has it packaged. If I remember right, Ken worked with Coyote for some time, his insight and different point of view would have also been nice! > This sounds like healthy evolution to me. :-) > You forgot one important thing that will prevent infinite > release/branch creation. There are limited resources > (developers/users) in our environment (LEAF). Mind share will prune > the week eventually. Developer(s) will only work on a release/branch > as long as they receive recognition of their effort. I see this every > day on the SF support lists. Abandonment of unused projects is > common. That is one reason I make an honest effort to try many different releases/products. Many of them fit a certain niche better than others. The sad part is that some of the more cutting-edge versions do not necessarily fit the most used niche, and end up not being used as often. This would be a good point to thank all the developers for their hard work and excellent products that I am happy to say are at the top of their niche's .... in respect to quality. <snip of more sound reasoning> > 1. Use of evolution as a development model. > 2. Tolerance for new ideas and differing opinions. > 3. Full control by lead developers of release/branch direction > and purpose. It appears to have promoted many excellent products and a very healthy, stable development community. > As Charles admonished me earlier, I now do for you. Thank-you, Mike ;) > All of our > opinions/ideas matter. Whether you're a lead developer or project > admin has nothing to do with the validity of your opinion/idea. Absolutely, however the effect of a project leader or lead developer having an issue would create far more effects to the community than myself. This does not mean that my opinion does not matter or should not be effective, but rather the people that primarily have made the larger contributions to the project should get the respect that they deserve for the time and effort that has made this possible. I intend this with exhaultion to these people, rather than any lack of self-esteem on my part or source of degrading demeanor towards anyone else. > BTW, this reply took me almost two hours. Your post was very thought > provoking. Thanks. :-) The reply was worth every minute you put into it, IMHO. Thank-you for extending your thoughts :-) -- ~Lynn Avants aka Guitarlynn guitarlynn at users.sourceforge.net http://leaf.sourceforge.net If linux isn't the answer, you've probably got the wrong question! _______________________________________________ Leaf-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-devel
