On Monday 26 August 2002 12:14, Eric Wolzak wrote:
> Hello List
>
> Every now and then there are questions about a web-based
> configuration tool. I did create one for shorewall ( low version) for
> some time. useing a webscript. There are however a lot of traps on
> webbased tools.
> Thinking about a new  webbased configuration tools, I have a few
> remarks and questions.

There are a couple of us doing some testing and playing with some ideas
right now.

> 1 Do we need one. ?

No, but quite a few people seem to want one...it should/will be
optional IMHO. What is being tested/written by myself will be
able to run via CLI as well.

> 2.If yes for what do we need one:
>      do we want to set a few items f.e restart a server, or rotate a
> log manually, clear the firewall. Or: do we want to completely
> configurate a Leaf box. - if it is only to take a connection down or
> something alike look at routerst.lrp a mini webpage, with which you
> could run commands but not secure.

It could all be done, but modularized so people may choose what they
want configurable with it.

> 3. if  we want complete control then the method should be modular, as
> not every box is the same.   (f.e like webmin)

Correct.

> 4. How about security.  everybody that can call the webpage could
> theoretically manipulate the router/firewall ( not something to sleep
> well ;) )

The user should be able to set this variable for their own security
risk. 

> 5 A tool like webmin would be nice but is it necessary, how often do
> you change the complete configuration and how large would  this
> package be: Perl, adapted webmin.

Modules should be able to be loaded/unloaded as the users preference.


> 5b or a stripped down Webbased configuration, only for the basic
> setup f.e as shell script. With special wishes the user has to use
> lrcfg, edit files online or ssh into the box.

For floppy concerns, I have proposed using zebedee instead of ssh.
This is open for suggestions and debate as far as I'm concerned.


> 5c shows a certain file from the configuration menu ( based on lrcfg)
> in a input field of a window.
> After editing post it back and it is read on the server and written
> allong to the appropriate location.

I'm thinking something along these very lines. 


> 6 for the same size you get a sshd package with more security and
> more flexibility, but less graphically appealing and perhaps a little
> bit more difficult for a start.

Why not tunnel the www through ssh/zebedee for use. I would want
to mandate this, but others opinions may differ.

> 7, Or is a configuration tool /disk helpfull.
> to configure the box, put the disk in with a webmin alike server
> eventually in stripped down version ( for "newbies")
> configure, backup etc and reboot without the server (more secure)

Hmmm, that opens some more possibilities. How would you propose
doing this?

> 8. What I did with a previous isdn Dachstein version was create a
> "form" in txt format. There were only a few items to fill out.
> After booting insert the disk run install and a shell script sets the
> configuration items according to the wishes and tries to put up the
> connection with at the end some diagnostic tests.

I've offered a set of basic install scripts included in a Dachstein 
floppy image for over 6 months now. Few people have showed
interest in this as compared to something via web-browser.

> 9 should the configuration be always be available or only after a
> specific action.

I don't know, any ideas??
-- 

~Lynn Avants
aka Guitarlynn

guitarlynn at users.sourceforge.net
http://leaf.sourceforge.net

If linux isn't the answer, you've probably got the wrong question!


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