On 9 Jan 2012, at 2004, Gerard Ashton wrote:

> On 1/9/2012 2:40 PM, Ian Batten wrote:
>> So long as those all tick the same thing, its relationship to the rotation 
>> of the earth is, +/- several hours, irrelevant.  No-one cares what the 
>> relationship between their watch/clock/computer and the sun is at anything 
>> other than the grossest scale
> 
> The foregoing statement is just not true. The time of sunset and sunrise is 
> important
> in many applications other than astronomy. It is important in all outdoor 
> activities
> where artificial light sources will not be carried.

You mean you time your trips into the mountains to a precision of a few 
minutes, and don't carry a torch if you know you'll be back at 1843, but will 
if you're going to be back at 1845?   And you do this not by looking up sunset 
in an almanac, a newspaper, a website, but by performing a calculation that 
relies on UTC-plus-leapseconds?  Could you give me more detail of this?    If 
you use a hundred year old Garmin GPS12 to calculate local sunset in 2100, it's 
possible the answer might be as much as a minute off from civil time?  This 
matters, because ...?

> It's important for pointing some
> solar arrays, and modeling the output from the same.

And that modelling requires a precision greater than 1min and the code will 
remain unchanged for a century?

>  This would suggest sunset/sunrise
> tables that are to be enforced with a wrist watch should have calculations
> that are accurate to no worse than 20 seconds. 

No one has yet provided even the beginnings of the suggestion that sunrise and 
sunset times are enforced to a precision of better than tens of minutes.  And 
as I've said, if this is a real worry to you, turn your lights on a minute 
earlier.  You're safe for the rest of your life.

ian
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