Well hello there, On 2017-05-11 12:53, Stijn Segers wrote: <snip>
While, like most people, I'm happy progress has been made towards a re-merge, there still seems quite some passive-agressive behaviour present coming from certain people championing OpenWrt [1] - which, from where I stand, seemed one of the reasons for starting LEDE. Stifling 'free' speech (recently, even to the point of removing messages about the pending re-merge on the OpenWrt forums) was another one; clearly, that one is still very much present as well. One could say old habits die hard, but it still feels like par for the course. What's up with that? You want to remerge with the LEDE project, yet you cannot tolerate any discussion about the actual process on the OpenWrt forums? That's some fine duplicity right there.
I guess our vocabularies differ quite a bit, given I see no passive-aggressive statements there. I hope you just misunderstood the ways some things have been worded, as your mail overemphasized certain parts to twist the picture. I could very well say you're championing yourself but somehow I don't see mails from you sent to any lists nor me about questioning the forum moderators' behavior. Of course you could have also stepped up and volunteer to be one, but either of these would have required more energy then this mail.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not questioning if you're right, but you should also be a bit more empathetic and understand a few things.
First of all, forum moderator rights have been given out as we didn't have time to do it ourselves. This also means that after the first few days we didn't spend our time on monitoring what people with moderator rights are doing.
Second, and this might be harder to accept, but to a certain degree when the first reply to anything is "OpenWrt is dead, go with LEDE", your behavior might generate a hostile reply. Again, I'm not saying this is right, I'm saying this is standard human behavior.
Back to my reply you love referring to: for me it seems you are the one who can't tolerate the discussion and would like to silence opinions (or how they can be expressed) you don't like. You might prefer baroque, I'm free to like renaissance.
I can't help but feel very uneasy about this. I'm not implying people who stuck with OpenWrt don't want the best for the project and community (most do), but we all know LEDE was created to remedy exactly these (and other) shortcomings, which made OpenWrt languish to the point it had come to a standstill. Not only did LEDE try to tackle these problems; it has succeeded beyond expectation. Developers are more accessible, you can actually talk to people instead of getting your head bit off, contributions are booming, and the atmosphere overall is friendly and helpful. Discussion is encouraged, not repressed Soviet-style.
The reasons of the fork have been discussed quite a few times, and if you think any project will be free of internal politics over a decade, you might want to look into the history of FOSS projects in general :)
As the rest of your mail is mostly FUD, let's stick to facts if you consider replying. As the saying goes, in any relationship, there are three sides of the story: his side, her side and the truth.
Both sides have hard feelings about certain topics, but this discussion started because we've decided to put those away. I can only ask you to try the same instead of sending mails like this.
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