Also, Anand is British Asian, so the context of visiting ER when the NF were active is more significant to him than perhaps it might be to people on here...
(My wife is also British Asian, and the first time I took her to ER she was *terrified*, as her experiences of football crowds had been... not positive.) Ed. Sent from my iPhone > On 20 May 2020, at 09:13, Richard Naef <[email protected]> > wrote: > > It's strange how we can see the same thing so differently, maybe it's in > through the lens of our view of the BBC? They mentioned Dirty Leeds, but > discussed the context of it being of its time and how by the 70s we were > playing beautiful football and discussed the NF at Elland Road, which my > understanding was a real issue (I wasn't there) ? But also that it was > confronted which was also true and a matter of pride to those that did it. > Yes, It wasn't a football show, so didn't go into detail about the goals, but > was led by real Leeds fans, mentioned that we were the best team, won lots > but almost won even more, and that the grasping defeat from the Jaws of > victory is our thing. Above all, for me, the first 5 minutes described quite > well to a R4 audience what Billy and Leeds meant to people of a certain > generation, maybe actually turned Matthew Parris into a leeds fan LOL! > > Sent from my Mobile. > > ________________________________ > From: Robert Heath <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 4:26:53 AM > To: Richard Naef <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]>; Leeds List > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LU] King Billy - Geat Lives > > Yeah I was surprised that the Scotland "disgrace" incident didn't come up, > but apart from that it was the usual litany of Dirty Leeds and racist/NF > Leeds, and when they did focus on Billy it was the Sunderland defeat, the > Wembley sending off, the Dave Mackay clash. No mention of his incredible > record of scoring winning goals in semifinals (6 times, I believe) or indeed > anything about what made him such a special player apart from tenacity and > determination. > > I did like the stuff about Albert though, and I'd never heard that quote > before about how Billy sorted out those who abused Albert. > > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 12:21 AM Richard Naef > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > wrote: > Really Rob?, just listened to it and was imo fair, objective and honest, the > inclusion of Rob Bagchi gave it real authenticity. It put the dirty leeds > moniker into context. Also, importantly, mentioned Albert Johannensen and > Billy's protection of him, was honest about the NF leeds fans in the 80s and > what Billy did about it. What bits did you think were biased, I'm intrigued? > The only thing that surprised me was no mention of how his Scotland career > ended in disgrace. > > Anyone else listen to it, what is your opinion? > > Sent from my Mobile. > > ________________________________ > From: Leedslist > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf > of Robert Heath <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2020 8:57:38 PM > To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Cc: Leeds List <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> > Subject: Re: [LU] King Billy - Geat Lives > > Predictably managed to focus on every negative thing the BBC could drag up > about Billy and the club. Absolutely typical BBC coverage of Leeds United. > > To counter all that, let me share with you a brilliant quote from Billy > after he had retired which I only recently came across: " During my time at > Leeds some supporters had grown from being children into young men. I felt > partly responsible for teaching them positives; self-discipline, respect, > never to give up on anything, to keep fighting for what you want and > believe in." > > It was only when I read that that I realised how true it was that Billy > Bremner was a huge influence on my life, because I was one of those > children. > >> On Tue, May 19, 2020 at 4:45 PM Guy Thornton >> <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> >> wrote: >> >> Today on BBC Radio 4, 16.30 BST: >> >> Great Lives - Billy Bremner >> https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000j80t >> >> Available on BBC Sounds (aka Radio iPlayer) after broadcast or download >> podcast >> >> guy >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> _______________________________________________ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email >> [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> >> >> Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ >> >> RIP Norman MOT >> > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email > [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Norman MOT > _______________________________________________ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email [email protected] > > Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ > > RIP Norman MOT _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: https://mailman.gn.apc.org/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] Find us on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/groups/leedslist/ RIP Norman MOT
