Tom
 I am sorry that I did not answer your question about the ER 20 system . 
They are mainly used in the metal work trade. However They can be used for 
wood work.
I use them with milling cutters, and the drawback with them is that they 
are parallel shank to cutter.
This of course means that a change of cutter size means that one has to 
also change the collet 
I have never used a normal router cutter larger than 3/4" and 1/2" shank in 
the ER20
The milling cutters from the far east are so cheap and I just use them for 
planing cuts or grooving.
I know nothing Re: Diamond saws but am learning something new every time I 
go back to messages on this site, that are years old.
Yesterday using my Revo I used a 1/2" milling cutter to plane a spindle 30 
inches long by 1 1/4"Dia
Turned both handles at the same speed ----- it looked like the rats had 
been at it----------- must get a motor drive to the spindle, like I have on 
the Old Woodchuck, that leaves a perfect finish on spindles using the same 
1/2" milling cutter.
*Further more I do not need the exercise by the turning of handles 
!!!!!????*
Regards
Richard

On Saturday, June 10, 2017 at 4:07:09 PM UTC+1, Tom Dotta wrote:
>
> Hi Richard & Curtis
>
> Two things I'd like to hear more about. ER20 system and diamond hole saws 
> for use on a router??
>
> Cheers   Tom D
>
> On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 7:43 AM, CURTIS GEORGE <curtg...@wowway.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> Hello and Good morning Everyone.
>> I have the Xtreme Xtension chuck on my router, I do like it, But having 
>> said that have been looking at the muscle chuck for a while and DO plan to 
>> buy one.
>> Here is there web site. http://www.musclechuck.com/   I have switched 
>> form my PC to a Craftsman router for my Legacy, I was told that the Bosh 
>> (#4) chuck would work for me, so I plan to buy one soon.
>> I agree with Richard using the old router col let type of chucks are a 
>> Pain! 
>>
>> As far as Router bits go. Magnate is a very good company, but I use what 
>> ever I can get my hands on, metal working end mills (both carbide and 
>> H,S,S.) are also part of my arsenal of tools that I use with my Legacy. 
>> (NOTE) Two flute end mills work the best on wood, ones made to cut Alum. 
>> are what I look for the most.  The end mills that have more flutes tend to 
>> bog up with wood chips, so stay clear of those for the main stay, But end 
>> mills are cheaper to buy and higher quality for the most part. but the 
>> section of profiles is limited compared with router bits.    
>> but for the small/detail jobs, I use what ever I can find, HSS (cheep) 
>> bits can do well for small jobs, so keep your eyes open, you just may find 
>> something that works for you even if its not made to work with a router...  
>> One more example are my diamond hole saws, They work very well for detail 
>> work, they are much safer to use then an Fly cutter would be on a router. 
>> but again (I must stress ) they are ONLY for detail work,  
>>
>> Gota run now.
>> Have a good weekend everyone.
>> C.A.G.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Bawdsey64" <rhp...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
>> *To: *"Bill Bulkeley" <bulk...@mmnet.com.au <javascript:>>, "Mike Pung" <
>> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>>
>> *Sent: *Saturday, June 10, 2017 10:02:13 AM
>> *Subject: *RE: Routers
>>
>>
>> ​A word of warning DO NOT PUT AN XTREME XTENSION IN A MUSCLE CHUCK, that 
>> can be lethal and they are not meant to be used together.
>>
>>
>> Of the two products I prefer the Xtreme Xtension but that is because Bob 
>> at Router Technologies built it originally for me after the guy at Muscle 
>> Chuck or what ever his company was called at that time would only build his 
>> product for Porter Cable! Bob even sent him his design for the Xtreme 
>> Xtension but he did not want to know so Bob went ahead and built it.
>>
>>
>> If you are in the UK or Europe then both products are available from 
>> www.woodworkersworkshop.co.uk and by the way I am not involved with that 
>> company in any way these days.
>> Cheers
>>
>> Roger
>>
>>
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>> ​
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Bulkeley
>> *Received:* 10/06/2017 14:52:10 +01:00
>> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>
>>
>> I use nothing but triton routers on my mills, router table and free hand 
>> I love them.
>>
>> They are all fitted either with the quick change musclechuck or the 
>> xtream xtension depending on the reach I need.
>>
>> Rather than change chucks on one router I change the whole router for 
>> another, I have several fitted with different quick change chucks.
>>
>> The triton routers are the only routers here that have fast removal and 
>> replace mounting from machine to machine, one of the reasons i like them so 
>> much.
>>
>> loosen 2 wing nut like screws slide a little and it’s off  done. I can 
>> change routers in about 10 seconds.
>>
>> When I have it on the legacy I have  one or both of the routers plastic 
>> shields removed so I can get easily to the router bit and also the legacy T 
>> ball hex key fits all the quick change chucks so changing bits is easy and 
>> all the cutting takes place lower down so the shields don’t do much anyway 
>> in this case.
>>
>> When I started I bought this set first 
>> https://www.magnate.net/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=RBPROFESSIONAL
>>
>> Then kept adding and adding bits mostly from magnate others from ebay or 
>> were ever i saw bits i think i could use now i have that many it’s 
>> ridiculous I was a bit a holic for a while J
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <javascript:> [mailto:
>> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com <javascript:>] *On Behalf Of 
>> *Richard 
>> Ellis
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 10 June 2017 4:40 PM
>> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills
>> *Subject:* Routers
>>
>>  
>>
>> Wondering what sort of routers do most of you use. And did you buy sets 
>> of cutters or buy them individually ???
>>
>> I have a Triton TRA 001 on my Woodchuck and a Dewalt 625 E on my Revo.
>>
>> Bill I always find it a pain to change cutters on the Triton-------- need 
>> three hands, although it is easy to do in a vertical position in the router 
>> table. 
>>
>> On the Legacy's I usually have something under the cutter to save it from 
>> falling on the floor. Sometimes I wedge the lock button in with a length of 
>> wood.
>>
>> Be nice if the button stayed put. The routers both have the ER 20 collet 
>>   system  They allow me to use milling cutters.
>>
>> Regards to all ,and lets have more posts, surely someone has a question 
>> or two
>>
>> Richard
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