yeah lot of metal hanging there. but.... I love the gearing size, thickness etc.... pretty impressive.
Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 12:51 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote: > Holy cow. The 4x gear is a beast. The machines I think it would be > relevant for are the 2000 and 2200 since it can handle parts over 10' long. > Hard to imagine it being very useful on the smaller machines. > > Tracy > > On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 10:39 AM <bulke...@mmnet.com.au> wrote: > >> ps There is a lot of gears in the 4x set way more than the original >> standard gear set .here is a short video on using some of them on the big >> 2200 model mill just so any potential buyers in this group can see what >> they are getting >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/tnn0rv58dx2kmxg/useing%20the%204X%20gears.mp4?dl=0 >> >> Enjoy and like all these type of links I only leave them up for a short >> time so make sure you watch them quickly >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com < >> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> *On Behalf Of * >> bulke...@mmnet.com.au >> *Sent:* Friday, 28 May 2021 2:23 AM >> *To:* legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* RE: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines >> >> >> >> Not me I said around $3500 I still think that’s a fair price for what you >> would be getting and that is working on the usual ½ the new price for >> second hand >> >> Goods >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < >> legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >> *Sent:* Friday, 28 May 2021 1:35 AM >> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines >> >> >> >> well, seems to be a lot of people that have an opinion of what this >> machine and accessories is NOT worth. but no one is offering an opinion as >> to what they think it IS worth... and I would bet we all have stories of >> that rare, elusive piece that we found for little to no money(remember the >> guy who found three 1800's from a school?... with a ton of accessories and >> parts!)... but those "stories" do not set the bar... for every one of those >> stories is a story of someone who sold a machine for a large sum... >> breaking it down, let's consider the machine itself... a 1500; with the >> linear drive motor, controls and limit switches; "Z" axis upgrade; Legacy >> aluminum rail base and casters; Heavy duty, Porter Cable, variable speed >> router; not in consideration is the CNC upgrade, the 4X gear set, rotary >> index table, thin stock follower, linear milling table, 20 to 25 magnate >> router bits(most new and in their plastic cases... I could see putting a >> price of $2,000 on this machine, easily... now put ricing on the extras... >> the router bits would retail for more than $1,000, so I will say $500... >> the 4X gear set, I would be willing to bet some out in legacy land would >> pay $500 for that... the rotary index table, $200-$300... thin stock >> follower,$100... linear milling tables,$100... and the CNC package,$500(the >> parts alone, sold separately to those that do have the Legacy CNC upgrade >> and are using it is worth at least that!)... so $3,500 as an ASKING PRICE! >> is not out of line in my opinion... and leaving some negotiating room for >> the cheapskate buyers out there in the world... and remembering that there >> are still boxes to be unpacked and what else there might be... and of >> course I will take a mulligan as to the fact that certain items are not in >> view yet, but as I mentioned, the original owner of this machine and >> equipment was very thorough in having every thing Legacy for his machine... >> so I doubt that there is any of the basics missing... interesting that some >> people are quick to say that something is not worth very much, but they are >> the first person on line to buy it... let the comments and critiques begin >> but at least be ready to back it up!... Joe B. >> >> On Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 8:10:05 AM UTC-4 Michael Kratky wrote: >> >> I also agree, I’ll stick to my manual 1200 LOM any CNC version associated >> with them would be totally unsupported from Legacy and I see nothing but >> frustration and problems instead spend the money on 4th axis Digital >> Wood Carver that is 100% more supportive. >> >> >> >> Michael >> >> >> >> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com [ >> mailto:legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com>] >> *On Behalf Of *Tim Ziegler >> *Sent:* Thursday, May 27, 2021 6:44 AM >> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines >> >> >> >> Very well stated Tracy, >> >> I have to agree with all you said. >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> >> >> Timothy J. Ziegler >> >> Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty >> >> 14171 160th Ave. >> >> Foreston MN 56330 >> >> >> >> 320-294-5798 <(320)%20294-5798> shop >> >> 320-630-2243 <(320)%20630-2243> cell >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 9:44 PM Tracy Smith <trlsm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> From my perspective $3500 would be way too high. The CNC side of this >> machine would be a complete mystery and major risk. It likely works fine >> but there is no support from Legacy and even if the stepper motors work >> well, if you are missing any one part, it could impact the practicality of >> using the machine at all as a CNC. You still need a computer, correct >> software and the configuration files to make it run properly. >> >> >> >> If I was to buy this machine, I would only buy it as a 1500 with the >> stated accessories and would not assume the CNC side of it. If I was able >> to get the CNC working, some of the parts, like the 4xgear would have no >> use as you don't need the gears for pitching, the index plates or >> directional gears. You can't use the templating functionality with the CNC >> so those accessories are not useful either. >> >> >> >> I recently sold a model 2000, with all the bells and whistles and several >> bits for only $2500 and that was for a model 2000 which is a much larger >> machine. >> >> >> >> I bought my 1200 Performance CNC for $2200 3 years ago. Even though I am >> selling it, I have been very happy with it. I have added things to it so it >> is a better machine today than when I bought it. However, I had to figure >> out how to get it working completely on my own. There is no support from >> Legacy and I was digging through forums that were 10 years old to get the >> pieces of information I needed. For me it was actually a lot of fun but I >> would have a hard time imagining someone else going through the same >> process. >> >> >> >> In no way am I trying to disparage someone from buying this awesome >> looking machine. I have just seen so many of these machines and there is >> often something missing. I just love the machines and usually have the >> parts to fill in the gaps. Well I used to have all the parts :). >> >> >> >> I found a brand new 1800 last year in an estate sale. The owner got it >> from her father and had no idea what to do with it or interest in it. She >> was asking $2000 for it. I looked it over. It was missing a few small, but >> key parts, and was not put together properly. I told her about the machine >> and that my interest was only in some of the accessories. In the end, I >> bought it for $500, spent hours putting it together properly, replaced some >> of the missing parts and then sold it for $1000. Not a business for me, but >> I got a good deal, the person who bought it got a good deal and I, >> hopefully, helped someone get a good start with one of these mills. >> >> >> >> Anyway, something to consider. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 7:24 PM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental >> Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> to Tom Weaver... Tom, does your CNC have the rack-and-pinion version of >> the CNC upgrade?... or do you have the stepper motors connected to the acme >> 5/8-4 threaded rods?... if it is the rack-and-pinion version, could you >> please post some photos of it... I have never seen the r and p setup on a >> machine... thanks... Joe B. >> >> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:19:00 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote: >> >> Bill... I would think that the more common gear sets are there... for my >> estimating purposes, and for what I see all that is there, I would think >> the original owner purchased all of the gear sets... of course it needs to >> be verified... and if it is found that they are not there, than a price >> adjustment is in order... but from the photos that I have seen, this >> original user ran through the catalog and purchased everything Legacy had >> to offer at the time... it is my understanding that there are more boxes >> the seller has to go through... so I am making some assumptions here... >> lets see where this goes... here are photos of those extra long router >> bits... its all good stuff here... part of what is interesting is >> everyone's opinions... Joe B. >> >> >> >> >> >> router bits >> >> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 8:45:51 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote: >> >> I just put out a price I thought was about right too much higher and a >> sale might be a longer time coming >> >> Lower and the seller would be giving the mill away it’s a starting >> estimate I didn’t see any horizontal or vertical vices or any .25 or 2x >> gears and other accessories apart from the rotary table, the 4x gears are >> good but they don’t cover all the smaller pitches. remembering what other >> mills I see for sale I thought it was a fair price what do you think is a >> better price? As with all things for sale it all depends on how bad the >> seller wants a sale verses how bad a buyer wants the item. Just because >> new it all cost a fortune doesn’t mean you will get a fortune when you sell >> it this is all just my opinion im interested on what every one else’s is. >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills < >> legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *Sent:* Thursday, 27 May 2021 10:10 AM >> *To:* Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines >> >> >> >> Hey Bill!... I might think it will be more than the $3,500 you are >> estimating... spoke to the seller and he mentioned that there are at least >> 12 of those 6" long Magnate bits that are made specifically for the Legacy >> machine and they are basically in brand new condition.... I just bought two >> of those(fluting, 1/2" diameter flute) from Magnate and they were $50 >> each!... and there are still boxes that the seller is going through... so >> it will be interesting to see where this all settles into... but the big >> key is who is willing to travel to that part of the country to seal the >> deal... as mentioned, there is no parting out of this stuff and there will >> be no crating/packing/shipping of this entire lot of stuff... the seller is >> seeing all of these comments now, and will soon be commenting himself once >> he is approved into the group, so everyone can then have contact with him >> directly... good luck to all and the seller as well... Joe B. >> >> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 7:47:35 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote: >> >> Anybody come up with a price yet I’m guessing around 3 ½ K as a package >> deal what do you all think or am I way off >> >> >> >> Bill >> >> >> >> *From:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> >> *On Behalf Of *Tracy Smith >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 26 May 2021 8:15 AM >> *To:* legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines >> >> >> >> Joe, >> >> >> >> Do you know the version of the CNC upgrade? It was either Standard or >> Performance. >> >> >> >> Tracy >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 3:13 PM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental >> Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >> >> okay guys, time to separate the men from the boys!... I was recently >> contacted by someone who just obtained a Legacy 1500 and does not know >> anything about the machine or how it works... and they are in the market to >> sell this Legacy... here is a list of the "goodies" >> >> 1) CNC legacy upgrade package, not installed... most likely never >> installed... with the software CDs! >> >> 2) 4X gear package upgrade... yes, 4X!... verified myself and with the >> installation sheet >> >> 3) "Z" axis upgrade >> >> 4) rotary table with the flex piece to connect it to the head stock >> >> 5) Legacy aluminum rail base with casters >> >> 6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls and limit switches >> >> 7) nice Porter Cable router on it >> >> 8) practically every Legacy option you could ever imagine >> >> 9) I am sure there are router bits, just haven't gotten that far into the >> inventory >> >> >> >> I am guiding this person through the process, so no low ballers!... >> LOL!... general location is the southwest United States... certainly photos >> will be available, most likely tomorrow's postings... could use some >> assistance in helping with a fair price for this person... for the record, >> I have no interest myself(that remark is mostly directed to Mac!)... anyone >> can email me at <finu...@aol.com>... or call my cell anytime 516-606-6627 >> <(516)%20606-6627>... once a fair price has been offered I will give the >> contact info of the seller and I am then backing away... just trying to >> help someone who reached out to me... ok guys, let's see where this goes... >> regards... 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