I also agree, I’ll stick to my manual 1200 LOM any CNC version associated with them would be totally unsupported from Legacy and I see nothing but frustration and problems instead spend the money on 4th axis Digital Wood Carver that is 100% more supportive.
Michael From: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com [mailto:legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Ziegler Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 6:44 AM To: legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines Very well stated Tracy, I have to agree with all you said. Kind Regards, Timothy J. Ziegler Ziegler WoodWork & Specialty 14171 160th Ave. Foreston MN 56330 320-294-5798 shop 320-630-2243 cell On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 9:44 PM Tracy Smith <trlsmit...@gmail.com> wrote: >From my perspective $3500 would be way too high. The CNC side of this machine >would be a complete mystery and major risk. It likely works fine but there is >no support from Legacy and even if the stepper motors work well, if you are >missing any one part, it could impact the practicality of using the machine at >all as a CNC. You still need a computer, correct software and the >configuration files to make it run properly. If I was to buy this machine, I would only buy it as a 1500 with the stated accessories and would not assume the CNC side of it. If I was able to get the CNC working, some of the parts, like the 4xgear would have no use as you don't need the gears for pitching, the index plates or directional gears. You can't use the templating functionality with the CNC so those accessories are not useful either. I recently sold a model 2000, with all the bells and whistles and several bits for only $2500 and that was for a model 2000 which is a much larger machine. I bought my 1200 Performance CNC for $2200 3 years ago. Even though I am selling it, I have been very happy with it. I have added things to it so it is a better machine today than when I bought it. However, I had to figure out how to get it working completely on my own. There is no support from Legacy and I was digging through forums that were 10 years old to get the pieces of information I needed. For me it was actually a lot of fun but I would have a hard time imagining someone else going through the same process. In no way am I trying to disparage someone from buying this awesome looking machine. I have just seen so many of these machines and there is often something missing. I just love the machines and usually have the parts to fill in the gaps. Well I used to have all the parts :). I found a brand new 1800 last year in an estate sale. The owner got it from her father and had no idea what to do with it or interest in it. She was asking $2000 for it. I looked it over. It was missing a few small, but key parts, and was not put together properly. I told her about the machine and that my interest was only in some of the accessories. In the end, I bought it for $500, spent hours putting it together properly, replaced some of the missing parts and then sold it for $1000. Not a business for me, but I got a good deal, the person who bought it got a good deal and I, hopefully, helped someone get a good start with one of these mills. Anyway, something to consider. On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 7:24 PM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-ornamental-mills@googlegroups.com> wrote: to Tom Weaver... Tom, does your CNC have the rack-and-pinion version of the CNC upgrade?... or do you have the stepper motors connected to the acme 5/8-4 threaded rods?... if it is the rack-and-pinion version, could you please post some photos of it... I have never seen the r and p setup on a machine... thanks... Joe B. On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 9:19:00 PM UTC-4 finu...@aol.com wrote: Bill... I would think that the more common gear sets are there... for my estimating purposes, and for what I see all that is there, I would think the original owner purchased all of the gear sets... of course it needs to be verified... and if it is found that they are not there, than a price adjustment is in order... but from the photos that I have seen, this original user ran through the catalog and purchased everything Legacy had to offer at the time... it is my understanding that there are more boxes the seller has to go through... so I am making some assumptions here... lets see where this goes... here are photos of those extra long router bits... its all good stuff here... part of what is interesting is everyone's opinions... Joe B. router bits legacy for sale bob 14.jpg <https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/43cc1f95fce3e/legacy%20for%20sale%20bob%2014.jpg?part=0.2&view=1> legacy for sale bob 15.jpg <https://groups.google.com/group/legacy-ornamental-mills/attach/43cc1f95fce3e/legacy%20for%20sale%20bob%2015.jpg?part=0.1&view=1> On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 8:45:51 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote: I just put out a price I thought was about right too much higher and a sale might be a longer time coming Lower and the seller would be giving the mill away it’s a starting estimate I didn’t see any horizontal or vertical vices or any .25 or 2x gears and other accessories apart from the rotary table, the 4x gears are good but they don’t cover all the smaller pitches. remembering what other mills I see for sale I thought it was a fair price what do you think is a better price? As with all things for sale it all depends on how bad the seller wants a sale verses how bad a buyer wants the item. Just because new it all cost a fortune doesn’t mean you will get a fortune when you sell it this is all just my opinion im interested on what every one else’s is. Bill From: 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> Sent: Thursday, 27 May 2021 10:10 AM To: Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines Hey Bill!... I might think it will be more than the $3,500 you are estimating... spoke to the seller and he mentioned that there are at least 12 of those 6" long Magnate bits that are made specifically for the Legacy machine and they are basically in brand new condition.... I just bought two of those(fluting, 1/2" diameter flute) from Magnate and they were $50 each!... and there are still boxes that the seller is going through... so it will be interesting to see where this all settles into... but the big key is who is willing to travel to that part of the country to seal the deal... as mentioned, there is no parting out of this stuff and there will be no crating/packing/shipping of this entire lot of stuff... the seller is seeing all of these comments now, and will soon be commenting himself once he is approved into the group, so everyone can then have contact with him directly... good luck to all and the seller as well... Joe B. On Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 7:47:35 PM UTC-4 aussiman wrote: Anybody come up with a price yet I’m guessing around 3 ½ K as a package deal what do you all think or am I way off Bill From: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Tracy Smith Sent: Wednesday, 26 May 2021 8:15 AM To: legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: the Holy Grail of Legacy machines Joe, Do you know the version of the CNC upgrade? It was either Standard or Performance. Tracy On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 3:13 PM 'finu...@aol.com' via Legacy Ornamental Mills <legacy-orna...@googlegroups.com> wrote: okay guys, time to separate the men from the boys!... I was recently contacted by someone who just obtained a Legacy 1500 and does not know anything about the machine or how it works... and they are in the market to sell this Legacy... here is a list of the "goodies" 1) CNC legacy upgrade package, not installed... most likely never installed... with the software CDs! 2) 4X gear package upgrade... yes, 4X!... verified myself and with the installation sheet 3) "Z" axis upgrade 4) rotary table with the flex piece to connect it to the head stock 5) Legacy aluminum rail base with casters 6) original lead screw drive motor with the controls and limit switches 7) nice Porter Cable router on it 8) practically every Legacy option you could ever imagine 9) I am sure there are router bits, just haven't gotten that far into the inventory I am guiding this person through the process, so no low ballers!... LOL!... general location is the southwest United States... certainly photos will be available, most likely tomorrow's postings... could use some assistance in helping with a fair price for this person... for the record, I have no interest myself(that remark is mostly directed to Mac!)... anyone can email me at <finu...@aol.com>... or call my cell anytime 516-606-6627 <tel:(516)%20606-6627> ... once a fair price has been offered I will give the contact info of the seller and I am then backing away... just trying to help someone who reached out to me... ok guys, let's see where this goes... regards... Joe Biunno -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Legacy Ornamental Mills" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to legacy-ornamental...@googlegroups.com. 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