>From GENUKI: "KING'S SOMBOURN, a parish partly in the hundred of King's Sombourn, and partly in that of Lower Buddlesgate, county Hants, 3 miles S. of Stockbridge, its post town, and 8½ W. of Winchester. The village, which is large, is chiefly agricultural. King's Sombourn is mentioned in Domesday Book, where it is spelled Somberne Regis. Prior to the Norman conquest it was part of a demesne belonging to the crown, and now forms part of the duchy of Lancaster. John of Gaunt had a palace here, the site of which remains near the National school. A portion of the inhabitants are employed in the iron foundries. The living is a vicarage* with the curacy of Little Sombourn annexed, in the diocese of Winchester, joint value £696. The church, dedicated to SS. Peter and Paul, is an ancient edifice with a wooden tower containing four bells. The register dates from 1762. There is a National school for both sexes. The Independents and Wesleyans have each a place of worship. The President and Fellows of Magdalen College are lords of the manor. [Description(s) from The National Gazetteer of Great Britain and Ireland (1868) - Transcribed by Colin Hinson ©2003]"
"Southampton, Hampshire [SU420130] is 11.8 miles (19.0 Km) SSE of Kings Somborne, Hampshire [SU360310]. This is measured directly between the two points 'as the crow flies' ignoring any geographical features such as rivers or hills." Putting Southampton into the mix is confusing, but perhaps was done because it is the closest large city to King's Sombourn. CE Wood -----Original Message----- From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:38 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Some help from across the pond Jim Walton wrote: > I have a question about European locations, and England locations in > particular. I've lived in several countries so I understand that every > place is different, and no one way is better than another. They are > just all unique to the culture that developed them. > > I've found a site, http://www.gazetteer.co.uk that attempts to do what > I need, but it lists historic counties, administrative counties, > districts, unitary authority areas, police areas, and > country/region--more than I really need. Administrative > County/District and Unitary Authority are mutually exclusive and > appear to be political entities as does country/region. > > When I have a location such as Brooke, Kingsomborne, Southampton, > England I quickly discover someone has given me bogus information. I > did find a King's Somborne in county Hampshire, so I think I would > list this as King's Somborne, Stockbridge, Hampshire, England. I did > discover that King's Somborne is a parish in Stockbridge. > > So, am I correct in my thinking? This obviously doesn't fit the > pattern of city, county, state, country since England doesn't have > states or provinces, only counties. I would then want to enter some > place like Saint Peter, Leeds, Yorkshire, England as Leeds, > Yorkshire, West Riding, England except here I see two problems. No > parish, unless I want to consider Saint Peter as the parish, and I > have an extra county location of West Riding. Now I don't have a > pattern that would match up for a search. To do so I would have to > leave a blank field between Hampshire and England in my first example. > > Now, while I've totally confused myself, I hope I have been clear > enough that our friends from England will understand the issue and > perhaps give some clarification. JIm, Basically what you are doing and the way you are constructing your locations is correct. You are right in thinking that England, all the UK and Ireland for that matter, does not fit the four field convention and the attempt of that convention to make the English locations fit is simply wrong. Parsishes, there are two types - Ecclesiastical and Civil - they are not necessarily co-terminous and the boundaries, and names, may vary over time. Towns and Parishes may also change from one county to another over time. When I include a parish in a location then it is the Civil Parish and not the Ecclesiastic. Note also that Registration Districts for bmd's are an artificial construction invented for administrative convenience and need not have any relationship to anything other than themselves! Personally, I don't know Kingsomborne (not any variants) but would observe that Southampton is also in Hampshire, so you are likely to be on the right track. In a previous post, I have referred to my blog on our locations at http://bit.ly/Location_location_location_UK . This blog also contains links to two sites which give comprehensive details of the constructions of locations in the UK and Ireland. Ron Ferguson Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp
