N 51.07677 W 1.48568 On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 2:14 PM, CE Wood <[email protected]> wrote: > From GENUKI: > > "KING'S SOMBOURN, a parish partly in the hundred of King's Sombourn, and > partly in that of Lower Buddlesgate, county Hants, 3 miles S. of Stockbridge, > its post town, and 8½ W. of Winchester. The village, which is large, is > chiefly agricultural. King's Sombourn is mentioned in Domesday Book, where > it is spelled Somberne Regis. Prior to the Norman conquest it was part of a > demesne belonging to the crown, and now forms part of the duchy of Lancaster. > John of Gaunt had a palace here, the site of which remains near the National > school. A portion of the inhabitants are employed in the iron foundries. > The living is a vicarage* with the curacy of Little Sombourn annexed, in the > diocese of Winchester, joint value £696. The church, dedicated to SS. Peter > and Paul, is an ancient edifice with a wooden tower containing four bells. > The register dates from 1762. There is a National school for both sexes. > The Independents and Wesleyans have each a place of worship. The President > and Fellows of Magdalen College are lords of the manor. [Description(s) from > The National Gazetteer of Great Britain and Ireland (1868) - Transcribed by > Colin Hinson ©2003]" > > "Southampton, Hampshire [SU420130] is 11.8 miles (19.0 Km) SSE of Kings > Somborne, Hampshire [SU360310]. This is measured directly between the two > points 'as the crow flies' ignoring any geographical features such as rivers > or hills." > > Putting Southampton into the mix is confusing, but perhaps was done because > it is the closest large city to King's Sombourn. > > > CE Wood > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Ferguson [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 6:38 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Some help from across the pond > > Jim Walton wrote: >> I have a question about European locations, and England locations in >> particular. I've lived in several countries so I understand that every >> place is different, and no one way is better than another. They are >> just all unique to the culture that developed them. >> >> I've found a site, http://www.gazetteer.co.uk that attempts to do what >> I need, but it lists historic counties, administrative counties, >> districts, unitary authority areas, police areas, and >> country/region--more than I really need. Administrative >> County/District and Unitary Authority are mutually exclusive and >> appear to be political entities as does country/region. >> >> When I have a location such as Brooke, Kingsomborne, Southampton, >> England I quickly discover someone has given me bogus information. I >> did find a King's Somborne in county Hampshire, so I think I would >> list this as King's Somborne, Stockbridge, Hampshire, England. I did >> discover that King's Somborne is a parish in Stockbridge. >> >> So, am I correct in my thinking? This obviously doesn't fit the >> pattern of city, county, state, country since England doesn't have >> states or provinces, only counties. I would then want to enter some >> place like Saint Peter, Leeds, Yorkshire, England as Leeds, >> Yorkshire, West Riding, England except here I see two problems. No >> parish, unless I want to consider Saint Peter as the parish, and I >> have an extra county location of West Riding. Now I don't have a >> pattern that would match up for a search. To do so I would have to >> leave a blank field between Hampshire and England in my first example. >> >> Now, while I've totally confused myself, I hope I have been clear >> enough that our friends from England will understand the issue and >> perhaps give some clarification. > > JIm, > > Basically what you are doing and the way you are constructing your locations > is correct. You are right in thinking that England, all the UK and Ireland > for that matter, does not fit the four field convention and the attempt of > that convention to make the English locations fit is simply wrong. > > Parsishes, there are two types - Ecclesiastical and Civil - they are not > necessarily co-terminous and the boundaries, and names, may vary over time. > Towns and Parishes may also change from one county to another over time. > When I include a parish in a location then it is the Civil Parish and not > the Ecclesiastic. Note also that Registration Districts for bmd's are an > artificial construction invented for administrative convenience and need not > have any relationship to anything other than themselves! > > Personally, I don't know Kingsomborne (not any variants) but would observe > that Southampton is also in Hampshire, so you are likely to be on the right > track. > > In a previous post, I have referred to my blog on our locations at > http://bit.ly/Location_location_location_UK . This blog also contains links > to two sites which give comprehensive details of the constructions of > locations in the UK and Ireland. > > Ron Ferguson > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > >
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