Until 1889 there wasn’t a County in England called London. The only place to officially have the title London was the City of London – the square mile. A very small area from the Tower in the east to Fleet Street in the west. Everywhere else was part of Middlesex (north of the Thames), Surrey (south of the Thames), Essex or Kent. Then in 1889 a new County was created administered by the London County Council and took in quite a lot of what had previously been in Middlesex, Surrey and a small part of Kent. Middlesex, Surrey and Kent continued as smaller counties bordering onto London. This continued until 1965 when a new entity Greater London was created that took in the existing County of London, together with most of the rest of Middlesex, more of Surrey and some of Kent, Essex and Hertfordshire. At that point silly things happened, such as Staines that had always been in Middlesex moved into Surrey and Kingston which housed the County Hall for Surrey was in Greater London.
Sadly, Middlesex doesn’t exist now as a County. It’s name only really existing in terms of Middlesex County Cricket and the like. But, please NEVER suffix a county name with the word County (ie Middlesex is just that, not Middlesex County). The only exception in Great Britain (and the UK loves exceptions!) is County Durham. And please don’t attempt to squeeze British place names into a four field format. E.g in the east of London was Stepney, Middlesex, England and later it was Stepney, London, England For a definition of the County of London see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_of_London Jack From: Pat Hickin [mailto:pph...@gmail.com] Sent: 08 September 2012 05:13 To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC Great idea, Elizabeth, thank you!! JLB, How do you handle it when you've got something like London, which I think is in more than one county? I've got some London, Middlesex County locations. I think part of Middlesex is outside of London. Also, as in the US, I imagine some Middlesex County locations have a London address even though they're outside the corporate limits of London. Pat On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:22 PM, Eliz Hanebury <elizhg...@gmail.com> wrote: Richmond (Independent city) Virginia <G> Eliz On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 8:37 PM, Pat Hickin <pph...@gmail.com> wrote: > There's a somewhat similar problem in Virginia, where for 90 or so years > we've had independent cities that are not in counties. I've never quite > decided what to do with them! > > Pat > > On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Terri Brown <ridge...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> That's what I do just to get Washington DC to sort the way I want (I'm too >> lazy to play with the sorting options). Just keep in mind there isn't a >> county. >> >> Terri Brown >> >> From: JLB <j...@jgen.ws> >> To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com >> Sent: Thursday, September 6, 2012 10:32 PM >> Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] proper format for Washington, DC >> >> If Washington is a city and DC is treated as a state, wouldn't it be >> Washington, (blank), District of Columbia, United States? >> --- >> JL Beeken >> JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists >> http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ >> >> On 9/6/2012 6:16 PM, Jackie King wrote: >> > Sorry - I didn't realize you were not in the United States. >> > >> > The District of Columbia is a federal district that contains the city of >> > Washington - but for all practical purposes the district for addressing >> > is treated like you would a state. >> > >> > So you have two choices in my mind - the one you were given or a >> > (blank), Washington, District of Columbia, USA. >> > >> > >> > On 9/6/2012 8:13 PM, JLB wrote: >> >> Being not someone who lives in the U.S. I find this very confusing. As >> >> we watch it on television, it appears as though Washington DC is a >> >> city. >> > >> >> So, is it Washington DC, , , United States? Or is Washington a county >> >> as >> > >> >> you seem to be saying? And if so, what is DC? I'm reading you but I'm >> >> not getting it. >> >> --- >> >> JL Beeken >> >> JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists >> >> http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ >> >> >> >> On 9/6/2012 6:05 PM, Jackie King wrote: >> >>> All of my D.C. folks are very early on - so I get to use the county >> >>> system. While it looks odd, what was suggested might work - or perhaps >> >>> leave the city blank - put washington where you normally would put the >> >>> county - and then the district and country. >> >>> >> >>> Jackie >> >>> >> >>> On 9/6/2012 8:01 PM, JLB wrote: >> >>>> OK, I'll bite. What IS correct? Thanks for the other info. I never >> >>>> would >> >>>> have known. >> >>>> --- >> >>>> JL Beeken >> >>>> JLog - simple computer technology for genealogists >> >>>> http://www.jgen.ws/jlog/ >> >>>> >> >>>> On 9/6/2012 5:29 PM, Jackie King wrote: >> >>>>> It may not be right but it depends on the time frame you are >> >>>>> discussing. >> >>>>> Early on, D.C. had two counties - Washington and Alexandria - and >> >>>>> encompassed a portion of Virginia. In that case you probably would >> >>>>> have >> >>>>> treated it like any city and state with reference to the county. >> >>>>> Later >> >>>>> - about 1846 - it became one county and one district after >> >>>>> Alexandria >> >>>>> was given back to Virginia. Until 1890, the census bureau counted >> >>>>> the >> > >> >>>>> area as the City of Washing, City of Georgetown and anything >> >>>>> unincorporated as Washington county. Washington county technically >> >>>>> ceased to exist in the early 1870s when it was pulled into the city >> >>>>> of >> >>>>> Washington. 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