John, I don't want to litter the LUG with this.
I have been plagued by organization structure in Windows 7 (and in paper filing) and find the addition of Libraries to be more confusing to me than helpful. I still like the old DOS structure. Your Strategy: Since I don't have a separate D partition could I replicate your D structure by creating a "Legacy Data" file under My Documents? That is I would use "Legacy Data" in lieu of D:, and not have your top level "Legacy Family Files". I could then set Option 6.1 to the "Legacy Data" folder. If so could you send me a listing of your D: file tree that I could pattern after? I might also create another folder "All Other Data" where I could save all data files making backup much simpler. Backups: I have an external drive I use to backup my laptop and our main PC files. I just used the windows backup command however when I needed to restore some but not all of the backup files after we had to have Windows 7 reinstalled by a MS tech person in India over the phone (2+ hours!) I now find it cumbersome to find the desired backup files to copy back into our clean(er) C: drive. Can you recommend a good third party backup program that is easier to use and less confusing? Cloud stuff: I have concerns about putting ALL my personal data in the cloud. Should I be concerned? Probably not since the IRS and NSA can see everything anyway and there is NO security for electronic medical info with Obamacare. Not to mention video cams everywhere nowadays. I'm afraid George Orwell's precognition in 1984 has come to pass. He just had the date wrong. Other than cost what is the difference between Carbonite, Dropbox and SkyDrive? I am using MS Office 365 which includes SkyDrive. Larry Lee [email protected] On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 11:14 AM, John B. Lisle <[email protected]> wrote: > Glenn, > > Let me share my strategy for Legacy folders. Maybe it will give you ideas > about what you want to do. > > The best - and ONLY in my perspective - place to install Legacy is in your > Windows Program Files folder. What goes in there are all of the static > files that will not change during program execution. In some cases, you > have the default files that you use to restore defaults. > > Then there is a series of Legacy program data files. These are files that > Legacy does use during the execution of the program. This is where your > settings files are saved. These files are "hard-coded" to go in your My > Documents folder. You have no choice. HOWEVER, you can use Windows to move > your whole My Documents folder to a different location; eg, to another > partition on your hard drive. I have done that as I have partitioned my > hard drive into a C and D partition and I have my Carbonite Cloud backup my > whole D drive constantly. > > Your My Documents\Legacy Family Tree folder does contains a Data and a > Media folder which are the defaults for where you store your data. > > I prefer to have a top level folder on my D drive as the location where > all of my 50 or so Family Files are organized. I name it something like > "Legacy Family Files". I set Option 6.1 to this folder. Then I can easily > navigate from one FF to the next. > > --> The structure I am about to describe is optimized because I work with > so many FFs AND because I use TNG to web publish so I want to organize the > media for easy upload to TNG. > > Within that folder, I have a series of folders for each of the family > files I work with. Within each of those folders, I have sub-folder for > gedcoms, backups, reports, charts, media, etc. Then within the media I have > sub-folders photos, documents, headstones, histories, etc. to correspond to > TNGs media organization. You can set Option 6.2 for each Family file to the > corresponding top level media folder that family uses. > > The strategy is based on separating program, program data, and personal > data. It works for me, but it might not work for anyone else. > > ok? > > john. > > > At 12:05 PM 12/15/2013, Glenn Woodman wrote: > > Hi John, > > Thanks again for additional info. You replied: > > "The program is by default installed in Program Files (X86). Sorry if I > caused any confusion. The Program data that Legacy changes during its > operation is in My Documents. You can move - and I recommend it - the > location of your family files and media to another folder anywhere on your > computer." > > Interesting. Where do you suggest putting the location of family and > media files? From the beginning I was sure if I liked having those files > stored under the Documents folder. With all previous versions, I rather > liked having these files stored under the Legacy folder. There could be > reasons for not doing that, I don't know. If so, would you recommend just > moving the entire Legacy Family Tree folder and associated subfolders out > of Documents and under the root directory? > > Glenn Woodman > > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 10:16 PM, John B. Lisle <[email protected]> wrote: > Glenn, > > You are quite welcome. > > 1/ I am of the school that you should keep L7.5 around for a while. Not > because I think L8 is broken, but you may find that you may need it to > confirm/verify some bugs and, in case there are fies in that folder you > decide later you need to move over. > > One person I have been helping offline needed to go back and look at a > backup to confirm that what they thought was a bug in L8 was actually a bug > in their data that they made long before they knew L8 was going to be > released. > > 2/ The program is by default installed in Program Files (X86). Sorry if I > caused any confusion. The Program data that Legacy changes during its > operation is in My Documents. You can move - and I recommend it - the > location of your family files and media to another folder anywhere on your > computer. > > ok? > > john. > > > > At 09:20 PM 12/3/2013, Glenn Woodman wrote: > > John, > > Thank you for the info. I now see that Legacy 8 is indeed installed in > Program Files. I'm curious about one thing. I have a SSD where all > application files are stored by default on the C: drive, and data files are > stored on a regular drive labeled D:. On the C: drive is Legacy 7.5 in > its own folder in the root directory. I am running Win7. > > > Questions: > > 1) Should I / is it safe to uninstall this using Windows Add/Remove? > > 2) I have two Program Files folders on my C: drive. One named > Program Files, the other named Program Files (x86). Legacy 8 is > installed in the latter. Is this the way it is supposed to be? The > folder Legacy Family Tree is indeed located under My Documents, which > resided on my D: drive. > > Glenn Woodman > > > > On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:58 AM, John B. Lisle <[email protected]> wrote: Glenn, > One of the changes in Legacy 8 is to install by default into Program Files > to comply with Microsoft standards. Prior to L8, the install directory > included files that Legacy edited during program execution. Now, those > files show up in the user's My Documents folder. The Avast problem does > not block the proper installation. It just causes - in Win 7, at least - > messages that seem that there is a problem. I wrote a long message on this > earlier. john. > At 10:31 AM 12/1/2013, Glenn Woodman wrote: > > Bill Boswell, Regarding conflicts with AV software and installing Legacy > (as well as other downloaded programs), I share the experiences of you and > others using Norton. Before Norton, the freebie AV softtware I used > had a check box for disabling protection.šÂ That allowed the > target software to "come through the door" with no interruption. > After successful installation, I jjust re-enabled protection. > Perhaps those who use Avast might exxplore if that program has a similar > feature. My question to you is about your comment that you "don't let the > installation put it [Legacy] in the Program Files."šÂ I am curious > about this, as it is my understanding that by default Legacy installs in > the root directory. Does it want nt to install in Program Files in > your case?  I've never understood why, and don t know the pros or cons > of installing it in one place or the other. I've never > questioned it, as I figured the developers had their particular reasons for > setting it up that way. But I am somewhat cuurious. > Glenn Woodman > On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:09 AM, William Boswell <[email protected]> > wrote: Same here. I've used Norton AV products for years > (currently Norton 360) and had no problems with Legacy 7.5 or with the new > 8.0. No problems with installation or use.  I stay away from > the freebie AV programs. Syymantec who produces the Norton programs > is a reputable company.  When I installed Legacy 8 Deluxe this > morning, I didn't let the installation put it in Program Files. I > put it iin the root directory of my C drive like I did with Legacy > 7.5.‚ I also have Windows 7's User Account Control turned off which > can interfere with a lot of programs.  Bill Boswell  From: Mary > LeClerc [ mailto:[email protected] <[email protected]> ] Sent: > Wednesday, November 27, 2013 1:45 PM To: [email protected] > Subject: > Re: [LegacyUG] Legacy 8 Installation - GLBF797.tmp  I've used Norton's > since day one on the internet and never have any problems downloading > reputable programs like Legacy.‚ Just downloaded Legacy 8 and again > it went smooth as butter.  On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 11:00 AM, John B. > Lisle <[email protected]> wrote: Gene, Are you using the Free Avast AV or > the Avast Internet Security? I believe the problem is with the Internet > Security version only. Some of the secondary Windows issues are only > appearing with Win 7 and above. john. > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog ( http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > > > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Etiquette.asp> > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > Online technical support: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/Help.asp> > Follow Legacy on Facebook ( http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog ( > http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com<http://news.legacyfamilytree.com/> > ). > To unsubscribe: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp<http://www.legacyfamilytree.com/LegacyLists.asp> > > > Legacy User Group guidelines: > http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp > Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ > Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp > Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and > on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). > To unsubscribe: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/LegacyLists.asp > Legacy User Group guidelines: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Etiquette.asp Archived messages after Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Archived messages from old mail server - before Nov. 21 2009: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/ Online technical support: http://www.LegacyFamilyTree.com/Help.asp Follow Legacy on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/LegacyFamilyTree) and on our blog (http://news.LegacyFamilyTree.com). 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