Denise,
Well, Ancestry’s publishing of city directories and other books gives me “reasonable assurance,” as do (say) the US county websites which have their records online, or Google Books, or familysearch, where one can find digital images. I guess if an individual had published an image on their personal website and that’s the only place it was, or otherwise could not be found, I might balk at citing it, but in general, I’m more interested in how to cite the material than questioning its provenance. I do try and secure originals of primary sources; secondary sources, I’m not so finicky about, though I try and see them at my library, when I can. Barton From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Denise Moss-Fritch Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2016 1:07 AM To: 'Legacy User Group' Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in Legacy Barton, Not sure the following will provide any clarification. However, the National Genealogical Society publishes a series of recommendations across several topics. The “Guidelines for Use of Computer Technology in Genealogical Research” includes the following item: “accept digital images or enhancements of an original record as a satisfactory substitute for the original only when there is reasonable assurance that the image accurately reproduces the unaltered original” At least the item is something to think about. However, please remember that is the view of only one country’s national genealogical organization. Denise From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barton Lewis Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 9:43 PM To: 'Legacy User Group' <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in Legacy Well, I don’t know that I’d call it “useless.” I think it’s actually interesting and worth discussing – but then I love the nitty-gritty of source citations. ESM does not seem to have adequately provided for a category of book that has been photographed and published online, without having been “reprinted” in the traditional sense of the word. In Section 12.60 of my version of EE (p. 698), she covers “e-books,” which she groups into 4 categories: * Audio versions of books issued in print; * Text publications solely released on CD-ROM or online; * Digital image editions of books previously published in print; and * Reformatted digital editions of books previously appearing in paper form. The city directories example under discussion here seems to fall in the 3rd category. But as Cathy has pointed out, when you go to this section in EE (12.79), ESM has classified such matter as “reprints.” I agree with Denise and don’t think the term “reprints” applies here. I would propose using the Source Writer template for books, edited and bypassing the reprint option and choosing online image; I don’t see that you lose anything by bypassing reprint and think it’s more accurate. Barton From: LegacyUserGroup [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cathy Pinner Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2016 11:17 PM To: Legacy User Group Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in Legacy What a useless discussion. It's Elizabeth Shown Mills that uses the term as shown in the quote I gave. And yes in some discussion she also sees images as not the originals as they're subject to tampering (less so with images at reputable sites but easy if they're just emailed to you or photocopies etc) - which is why she makes extensive notes on what exactly she uses and the quality of the image etc. I'm not that suspicious. Cathy Denise Moss-Fritch wrote: Sorry Cathy, you are the one applying the term ‘reprint’ to these records, not me. Would that mean you define all records found online as ‘reprints’? Census? County record books? If so, than all records found online would be secondary not the original. That would not be an record analysis to which I would not agree. Denise *From:*LegacyUserGroup [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Cathy Pinner *Sent:* Friday, October 28, 2016 10:03 PM *To:* Legacy User Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in Legacy Your choice Denise but I'd read on further and see that ESS calls them facsimile reprints or image reprints though in my edition she doesn't detail them online but rather on CD or microfilm. "12.79 Reprints: Image Editions Reprints that offer image copies of earlier publications are called facsimile reprints (as opposed to facsimile reproductions of original records, covered at 12.77). However, the modern terms image copy or image reprint are better understood today." Of course her caveats apply. No doubt her webpages or the later editions cover online reprints. I really don't care a bout exact ordering and commas etc so long as the source can be found. Of course it needs the online detail and the original publication detail. That's what the SourceWriter reprint templates, which are all based on Evidence Explained, provid e. Cathy [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]> wrote: Cathy, Yes, I am aware of the sample's format style. However, I am also aware that a digital image of an original book (City Directory or otherwise) is not a reprint of the original publication. A reprint would include both the original publication date and the date of the reprint. That is standard practice of the publishing industry. Even the publisher of a reprint might / pr obably would differ from the publisher of the original publication. As for SourceWriter, perhaps these differences is why I prefer not to use that option. Thanks for the comments, Denise ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From: *"Cathy Pinner" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]%0b %20%3cmailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>> *To: *"Legacy User Group" <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]%0b %20%3cmailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>> *Sent: *Friday, October 28, 2016 8:42:41 PM *Subject: *Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directories in Legacy Denise, you've give n an example for a Basic Format - real book City Directory. An online version needs a layered source. Using the Books Reprint option is a way to get that and provides the necessary fields for the online site and the original. Do you know that when looking for a template in the SourceWriter you can enter the section number in the Find box? I just did this - and it gave the templates I pointed to. Cathy Denise Moss-Fritch wrote: Cathy, I am a bit hesitant with describing a digitized (online) City Directory as a ‘reprint’. Might I suggest you review section 12.75 Reprints & Revisions in ‘Evidence Explained’ (p. 708-9) The book do es provide a sam ple source list entry for a City Directory as follows: Polk, R. L., compiler. Colora do Springs, Colorado, City Directory. Colorado Springs: R. L. Polk Directory Co., 1924, 1927, 1929, 1931. Typically the compiler and publishing information for a City Directory is found on the title / legal page of a directory, including the digital images. Denise *From:*LegacyUserGroup [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Cathy Pinner *Sent:* Friday, October 28, 2016 7:40 PM *To:* Legacy User Group <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]%0b %20%3cmailto:[email protected]> <mailto:[email protected]>> *Subje ct:* Re: [LegacyUG] How to set up master source for City Directo ries in Legacy Thomas A Historical City Directory seen via images online, is a book that has been republished online. So in SourceWriter start with Books and choose one of the reprint options and then online book for the Medium. If you want the full original publishing details, add them along with the original publication date. C athy Thomas Vilfroy via LegacyUserGroup wrote: The original message to the list is in the attachment. This action is required because of the DMARC Reject/Quarantine Policy imposed by some email providers. Users who want to send messages without conversion to attachments should use a different email a ddress for their subscription. 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