On Mon, Oct 14, 2024 at 7:59 AM Thomas Passin <tbp100...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm not sure it's worth delaying 6.8.2 but OTOH I don't see a compelling
need to get 6.8.2 out.

Let's get this done. There is no point in procrastination.

> My feeling is that the 6.8.1 layout system is in there intact and the new
layout commands are optional for the user.  They are more convenient and
don't require a reload of the outline so they bring value.  The
initial-split-orientation is likely to be very confusing for users.  It
even confuses me.  Are both the main and secondary splitters going to have
their orientation changed? if not, which one?  And how many users are even
going to know what a splitter is, let alone which widgets are in which
splitters, and what the "orientation" indicates? In addition, changing the
splitter orientations is only going to confuse and muddle the starting
orientation. It will only be useful for a few of them.

All good questions. So let's do whatever is necessary to retire the setting
relating to initial split direction.

> I think that if we want layouts with different orientations, we should
just create [new layouts] and offer them to the user.

That was my thinking exactly.

> Do you want to delay 6.8.2 until we do that?

Yes!

> You would have to create them for the 6.8.1 layouts, and I would have to
create them for the new system.

I'm willing.

> I also think we should devise a way for the user to know what they will
be getting if they change the default layout.  With the new layouts, at
least it's easy enough to switch between them until one finds one he likes.

Afaik, all layout commands have docstrings with layout diagrams. Those
diagrams should suffice.

There will be less confusion *when all layouts are immutable.* (Not
affected by settings).

Edward

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