Totally agree, Zack!
It's a tough world out there -- for Advocacy as it is for any other venture.
Keeping the keel and rudder pointed correctly so the advocacy ship
doesn't run aground is not an easy gig. Especially in such a fickle
world where you can't afford to have anyone misjudge your intentions and
hurt the venture.
Fran
On 5/5/12 12:53 PM, Zack Brisson wrote:
Hi all,
I just want to say thanks to everyone for this conversation. Whatever the
facts of the situation are (and they seem spotty and hard to grab at the
moment), I'm perceiving a credible, relatively civil, discussion about the
form and function of modern social advocacy.
Trumped up claims, dramatic language, small incidents blown into massive
events, are all hallmarks of modern social campaigns. Often times, they're
helpful, and aid in bringing attention to critical issues that aren't
generally 'sexy' enough for the mainstream public. Yet such tactics can
also raise critical concerns around credibility, honesty, and
accountability.
I don't pretend that this situation solves any of those issues, but your
discussion has been illuminating, and helped illustrate the range of nuance
and complexity that underlies advocacy 'marketing' in our modern
information landscape.
Thanks to Lib/Tech for casting light on the issues.
Zack
On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Dave Karpf<[email protected]> wrote:
Agreed that that's what makes it importantly different. This wasn't the
Comm department responding to reporters, it was an active fundraising ask.
I'm withholding judgment for the moment, but sincerely hope the Avaaz
folks will be more open with the tech experts on this list. At the moment,
this looks a LOT like a crass fundraising ploy. If so, I personally would
lose a lot of respect for the org.
DK
Sent from my iPad
On May 4, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Okhin<[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, 4 May 2012 15:48:35 -0400
Sahar Massachi<[email protected]> wrote:
I'm a bit concerned about all the muttering about Avaaz's
sensationalism.
Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding something, but the following
scenario seems pretty plausible to me:
The Avaaz site comes under some sort of attack. The tech team at Avaaz
gives a quick "idiots guide" to what's going on to their communications
team, and then goes back to trying to deal with the problem. The
communications team has a partially confused understanding of exactly
what's going on, but tries to deal with the situation as best they can.
When technically minded journalists want to talk to Avaaz, the
communications staff doesn't want to bother their still-hard-at-work
tech
team, so they give unsatisfying, vague, and unhelpful replies to these
journalists".
Am I missing something?
Yeah, they started a funding campaign to fight the attack and, while
the attack has stopped (according to their claim), it's still open and
their goal is 35k$ (and they're at 33k$)for what?
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/massive_attack_on_avaaz_a/?fp
Next time I've got a spam bot raiding my corporate network, I'll ask
this amount of money to my boss. Just to see he's face.
Okhin
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