Brant Olson joined yesterday but hasn't provided any information or addressed specific concerns, as far as I know. I did get a response from him on Twitter on a related question, so he must be paying attention.
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 5:55 PM, Yvette Alberdingkthijm <[email protected]>wrote: > I am just the messenger here…:) Will suggest that they should join, if > someone has not already. > > Thanks, > > YAT > > > Yvette J. Alberdingk Thijm > Executive Director > WITNESS > 80 Hanson Place > Brooklyn, NY 11217 > phone: + 1(718) 783 2271 > europe: +31 619031122 > mobile: + 1 (347) 210 0152 > > skype: yvette-a or witnessyvette > email: [email protected] > twitter: @yvettethijm, @witnessorg, #video4change > blog: blog.witness.org > > > When elephants fight, the grass suffers > > On May 5, 2012, at 5:51 PM, Marcin de Kaminski wrote: > > Thank you, Yvette. > > That statement still does not explain why the donation is needed (since > their system could stand the attack). > > Marcin > > Yvette Alberdingkthijm <[email protected]> skrev: >> >> Hi all, >> >> Ricken Patel, who heads up Avaaz, asked me to post this on this list (as >> I brought the discussion to his attention) and here is what he said: >> >> It's a statement quoting the CEO of our hosting company. Would you mind >> posting it to that discussion or asking someone to? I'm not part of it - >> >> https://secure.avaaz.org/act/media.php?press_id=321 >> >> >> YAT >> >> Yvette J. Alberdingk Thijm >> Executive Director >> WITNESS >> 80 Hanson Place >> Brooklyn, NY 11217 >> phone: + 1(718) 783 2271 >> europe: +31 619031122 >> mobile: + 1 (347) 210 0152 >> >> skype: yvette-a or witnessyvette >> email: [email protected] >> twitter: @yvettethijm, @witnessorg, #video4change >> blog: blog.witness.org >> >> >> When elephants fight, the grass suffers >> >> On May 4, 2012, at 10:33 PM, Erik Sundelof wrote: >> >> I do not know any background of this nor am I in any way linked to the >> issue/concern at hand, but some general projection rules here are needed. >> Especially since I have started to see random numbers thrown around which >> is contraproductive in any way, shape or form. >> >> Throwing out $500k as a result of 35k donations is just unfounded. Just >> for clarity here do check my background as far as donation flows and >> crowdsourcing. >> >> I really personally want the discussion about the issue/concern at hand >> to stay away from splitting hairs and throwing random numbers around. It is >> not constructive and also will defocus the discussion from what it should >> be all about. >> >> Apologies if I come across as too direct but let us together keep the >> discussion on-point and fair, as well as staying clear from thowing >> arbitrary and unfounded statements around. >> >> Erik >> >> http://sundelof.com >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On May 4, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Shaun Wilde <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Was clarifying Okhin's musing about what their goal of 35k$ was for. >> Their goal is 35,000 *donations*. Likely to the tune of... who knows. >> $500,000? If we're wondering what they'd do with 35k$, an even more >> interesting brainstorm is what they'll do with 500k$. Hard to know without >> knowing anything about the attack--except that it was massive. >> *-sw >> >> * >> >> >> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Jillian C. York >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Unless those 33,000 individual donations were less than $1 each, I don't >>> really see what you're getting at. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Shaun Wilde >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Clarification. That's 33,000 *individual donations. *Not $33k. That >>>> should get them started. >>>> -sw >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Dave Karpf <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Agreed that that's what makes it importantly different. This wasn't the >>>> Comm department responding to reporters, it was an active fundraising ask. >>>> >>>> I'm withholding judgment for the moment, but sincerely hope the Avaaz >>>> folks will be more open with the tech experts on this list. At the moment, >>>> this looks a LOT like a crass fundraising ploy. If so, I personally would >>>> lose a lot of respect for the org. >>>> >>>> DK >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On May 4, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Okhin <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> > On Fri, 4 May 2012 15:48:35 -0400 >>>> > Sahar Massachi <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> I'm a bit concerned about all the muttering about Avaaz's >>>> sensationalism. >>>> >> >>>> >> Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding something, but the >>>> following >>>> >> scenario seems pretty plausible to me: >>>> >> >>>> >> The Avaaz site comes under some sort of attack. The tech team at >>>> Avaaz >>>> >> gives a quick "idiots guide" to what's going on to their >>>> communications >>>> >> team, and then goes back to trying to deal with the problem. The >>>> >> communications team has a partially confused understanding of exactly >>>> >> what's going on, but tries to deal with the situation as best they >>>> can. >>>> >> When technically minded journalists want to talk to Avaaz, the >>>> >> communications staff doesn't want to bother their still-hard-at-work >>>> tech >>>> >> team, so they give unsatisfying, vague, and unhelpful replies to >>>> these >>>> >> journalists". >>>> >> >>>> >> Am I missing something? >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > Yeah, they started a funding campaign to fight the attack and, while >>>> > the attack has stopped (according to their claim), it's still open and >>>> > their goal is 35k$ (and they're at 33k$)for what? >>>> > https://secure.avaaz.org/en/massive_attack_on_avaaz_a/?fp >>>> > >>>> > Next time I've got a spam bot raiding my corporate network, I'll ask >>>> this amount of money to my boss. 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