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On 2012-05-05, at 4:52 PM, Marcin de Kaminski <[email protected]> wrote: Thank you, Yvette. That statement still does not explain why the donation is needed (since their system could stand the attack). Marcin Yvette Alberdingkthijm <[email protected]> skrev: > > Hi all, > > Ricken Patel, who heads up Avaaz, asked me to post this on this list (as I > brought the discussion to his attention) and here is what he said: > > It's a statement quoting the CEO of our hosting company. Would you mind > posting it to that discussion or asking someone to? I'm not part of it - > > https://secure.avaaz.org/act/media.php?press_id=321 > > > YAT > > Yvette J. Alberdingk Thijm > Executive Director > WITNESS > 80 Hanson Place > Brooklyn, NY 11217 > phone: + 1(718) 783 2271 > europe: +31 619031122 > mobile: + 1 (347) 210 0152 > > skype: yvette-a or witnessyvette > email: [email protected] > twitter: @yvettethijm, @witnessorg, #video4change > blog: blog.witness.org > > > When elephants fight, the grass suffers > > On May 4, 2012, at 10:33 PM, Erik Sundelof wrote: > > I do not know any background of this nor am I in any way linked to the > issue/concern at hand, but some general projection rules here are needed. > Especially since I have started to see random numbers thrown around which > is contraproductive in any way, shape or form. > > Throwing out $500k as a result of 35k donations is just unfounded. Just > for clarity here do check my background as far as donation flows and > crowdsourcing. > > I really personally want the discussion about the issue/concern at hand to > stay away from splitting hairs and throwing random numbers around. It is > not constructive and also will defocus the discussion from what it should > be all about. > > Apologies if I come across as too direct but let us together keep the > discussion on-point and fair, as well as staying clear from thowing > arbitrary and unfounded statements around. > > Erik > > http://sundelof.com > > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 4, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Shaun Wilde <[email protected]> wrote: > > Was clarifying Okhin's musing about what their goal of 35k$ was for. Their > goal is 35,000 *donations*. Likely to the tune of... who knows. > $500,000? If we're wondering what they'd do with 35k$, an even more > interesting brainstorm is what they'll do with 500k$. Hard to know without > knowing anything about the attack--except that it was massive. > *-sw > > * > > > On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Jillian C. York > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Unless those 33,000 individual donations were less than $1 each, I don't >> really see what you're getting at. >> >> >> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Shaun Wilde <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Clarification. That's 33,000 *individual donations. *Not $33k. That >>> should get them started. >>> -sw >>> >>> On Fri, May 4, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Dave Karpf <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Agreed that that's what makes it importantly different. This wasn't the >>> Comm department responding to reporters, it was an active fundraising ask. >>> >>> I'm withholding judgment for the moment, but sincerely hope the Avaaz >>> folks will be more open with the tech experts on this list. At the moment, >>> this looks a LOT like a crass fundraising ploy. If so, I personally would >>> lose a lot of respect for the org. >>> >>> DK >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> >>> >>> On May 4, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Okhin <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> > On Fri, 4 May 2012 15:48:35 -0400 >>> > Sahar Massachi <[email protected]> wrote: >>> > >>> >> I'm a bit concerned about all the muttering about Avaaz's >>> sensationalism. >>> >> >>> >> Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding something, but the following >>> >> scenario seems pretty plausible to me: >>> >> >>> >> The Avaaz site comes under some sort of attack. The tech team at Avaaz >>> >> gives a quick "idiots guide" to what's going on to their >>> communications >>> >> team, and then goes back to trying to deal with the problem. The >>> >> communications team has a partially confused understanding of exactly >>> >> what's going on, but tries to deal with the situation as best they >>> can. >>> >> When technically minded journalists want to talk to Avaaz, the >>> >> communications staff doesn't want to bother their still-hard-at-work >>> tech >>> >> team, so they give unsatisfying, vague, and unhelpful replies to these >>> >> journalists". >>> >> >>> >> Am I missing something? >>> >> >>> > >>> > Yeah, they started a funding campaign to fight the attack and, while >>> > the attack has stopped (according to their claim), it's still open and >>> > their goal is 35k$ (and they're at 33k$)for what? >>> > https://secure.avaaz.org/en/massive_attack_on_avaaz_a/?fp >>> > >>> > Next time I've got a spam bot raiding my corporate network, I'll ask >>> this amount of money to my boss. 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