Jacob, Thank you for the note about PARTIAL defenses.
All, I am astonished yet not about how many people believe there is an absolute solution for security. I personally think it is dishonest to users in real need of protecting their security. Any online transaction comes with risks whether we like it or not. I think it is important to remember when we discuss any tools. Erik http:// www.sundelof.com Sent from my iPad On Aug 7, 2012, at 4:54 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <[email protected]> wrote: > Ali-Reza Anghaie: >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Jacob Appelbaum <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Ali-Reza Anghaie: >>>> >>>> I don't think it's they don't get it - once explained to even the most >>>> jaded they accept the expertise - it's that in the time period with >>>> immediate windows of opportunity present people are looking for a usable >>>> solution for ~their~ definition of usable (not "ours"). And they want it >>>> ~now~ on systems they actually have access to. >>>> >>> >>> I regularly explain this to people. Many people have a normal >>> psychological reaction where they decide they're not important, not a >>> target, targeting is too hard and so on. Generally, they then say, >>> "well, whatever" and go on with their lives. It's a heavy burden to >>> consider the weight of the NSA's warrant-less wiretapping abilities and >>> ongoing realities. >> >> >> To be clear - you and I can afford to worry about NSA and IRGC - the people >> I'm talking about have more pressing issues right then. That week. And no >> recourse, ACLU, or EFF to goto. They want a quick and clean solution and >> sometimes that's just to say "here is where our money is, take care of my >> family in [OTHER_COUNTRY]".. >> > > Well sure. The key thing here is that people don't actually believe that > we have solutions because well, we don't. Unless you use Tor entirely, > have no phone, and so on - we have only partial measures. > > Part of what bothered me about Cryptocat was the partial measures that > need to be made are not really related to user interfaces at all. It's > almost all under the hood stuff that I take issue with and I'm glad > Nadim has been changing things. > >> (Extreme example intentional.) >> >> And thank you - I at least understand where you're at better than Tweets >> express. -Ali > > Sure and thank you! > > Twitter is not the place for such discussions. It's really annoying > because it's so hard to actually have a discussion. :) > > All the best, > Jake > > _______________________________________________ > liberationtech mailing list > [email protected] > > Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: > > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech > > If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once you click > above) next to "would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily > digest?" > > You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator > in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech > > Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. > > Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech _______________________________________________ liberationtech mailing list [email protected] Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once you click above) next to "would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?" You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech
