hi, i collaborate on a server-project similar to riseup, a lot smaller but similar in inception.
On 07/08/12 02:45, Moxie Marlinspike wrote: > I actually disagree with your premise. I don't see Riseup as a > "security" project, but as a project that's value is in self-sufficiency > and self-control. self-sufficiency and self-control seems to produce more overall security, or may be better called, overall privacy/control over your own communications. > This might be an unpopular opinion, but if I were talking with an > activist, and they wanted to strictly prioritize the *security* of their > email without any other consideration, I would recommend GMail over > Riseup. riseup and other activist projects do not isolate "security" from other considerations like privacy. encryption may be better provided by gmail. However, gmail will more probably give data to governments and/or corporations when asked than riseup. Moreover, gmail stored data is of valuable information to governments (oppressive or not) about who is talking to whom, (mapping) which riseup makes a point of not keeping. That may not be technically security but it is something that activists should value and a reason not to choose google (or facebook or hushmail for that matter) over riseup for instance. > Again, no offense to the awesome people at Riseup, but I > believe that Google has probably done a better job in maintaining their > SSL infrastructure, server security, and authentication systems (2FA, etc). i may be repeating myself but what is the point of having a good ssl infrastructure if the data they have available is going direct to those the activist campaign against? > I don't expect the members of Riseup to go to jail for me if they were ever > presented with a warrant for my stored emails. I do expect them to contact me so that we collaboratively agree on the best course of action for all. I do not think i can expect any one whose livelihood depends on the commercialisation of my communications to risk the continuation of their business by challenging those in power. better off undetected -- https://network23.org/bou _______________________________________________ liberationtech mailing list [email protected] Should you need to change your subscription options, please go to: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech If you would like to receive a daily digest, click "yes" (once you click above) next to "would you like to receive list mail batched in a daily digest?" You will need the user name and password you receive from the list moderator in monthly reminders. You may ask for a reminder here: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech Should you need immediate assistance, please contact the list moderator. Please don't forget to follow us on http://twitter.com/#!/Liberationtech
