The content of the communication should be direct in 90% of cases though - not going through Google's servers at all. Granted the Google Voice plugin is a bit of an enigma at this point - not yet based on libjingle or webrtc yet in my understanding. It should migrate though, at which point it will be just as open source as Jitsi.
Passing that 10% through Google servers is definitely an issue though, and that'll be 100% with 3 or more on a call. The alternative is to set up your own TURN, STUN, and XMPP servers though. -Adam On Friday, December 21, 2012, Jacob Appelbaum wrote: > Adam Fisk: > > I'm not entirely clear on why this is advantageous versus say Google > > Hangouts. You're likely using Google Talk servers in both cases, which is > > the central point of control no matter what. What am I missing Andrew? I > > trust Google's encryption more than I do Jitsi's, and my pretty darn > > thorough walk through the Jitsi code (granted years ago now) was a pretty > > frightening experience -- not security-wise but just code wise. > > If you're trusting Google for your account/relationship data, you're not > *also* trusting them with the content of the communication when OTR > and/or ZRTP are used. > > Did you find problems with the OTR or ZRTP crypto? > > Most code is terrible - I consider it an improvement over Skype which > likely also has terrible code but we can't even inspect it to learn that > fact. Rather, we just learn that they wiretap and fuck people over by > reading their policy documents; generally far too late, I might add. > > All the best, > Jake > > > -Adam > > > > > > On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 11:29 PM, <[email protected]<javascript:;>> > wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 06:52:35 -0800 > >> Brian Conley <[email protected] <javascript:;>> wrote: > >> > >>> So I guess the question is, is there a more/similarly convenient > >>> video/audio chatting tool that can be advocated as a standard? > >> > >> Here's a single data point, extrapolate at your peril, I use Jitsi, > >> https://jitsi.org/. > >> > >> I use jitsi daily for all my phone calls, text chats, and video chats. > >> It's not as slick as Skype, yet. It's just a piece of software, you > >> need to setup your own chat or voip accounts. It works with gchat, > >> facebook, aol, msn, etc. It just works. It's effectively the open > >> source version of skype. It's the same UI and functionality across > >> operating systems (windows, macs, linux, bsds). I've watched non-tech > >> people figure it out in 10 minutes and start chatting/calling, etc. > >> > >> I have zrtp-encrypted video and voice chats with people around the > >> world. I can share my screen so others can see what I'm doing. For > >> zrtp-encryption and screen sharing, all parties have to use jitsi. And > >> OTR-wrapped text chat works well so far with any client on the other > >> end. > >> > >> It's still a work in progress, much like Skype was when it was first > >> released, but it's functional and gets out of the way so you can > >> communicate. My $0.02. > >> > >> -- > >> Andrew > >> http://tpo.is/contact > >> pgp 0x6B4D6475 > >> -- > >> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: > >> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech > > > > -- > Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password at: > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech > -- Sent from Gmail Mobile
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