Eugen Leitl <[email protected]> writes: > On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 03:07:35PM +0200, ilf wrote: > >> I can't believe this bullshit thread recommending *only* commercial >> services. > > Look, free is distinctly unaffordable. If you need a dedicated > box somebody has got to pay for the hosting and remote hands. > Activists donating own resources are quite nice and cool > (heck, been there, done that) but ultimatively you can't > rely on them to be there if the shit hits it.
Can't rely on them to be there for what exactly? Where is the liberatory technological element to recommending commercial services when they are more than happy when the "shit hits it" to bend over backwards for law enforcement without bothering even questioning if the request is even legal because that would cut into their profits? I have to say I agree with ilf, this is pretty depressing for this list. How can anyone in good conscience recommend to activists commercial services whose primary goal is to optimize for the bottom line? You realize that when "the shit hits it" you can rely on them to not waste any of their money fighting for you. Not that it matters, because they are already deupitized data collection points for the police, building into their money-making schemes keeping as much logs as they possibily can to maximize profits from various advertising and surveillance efforts. And really, Cloudflare? Comon. After their willingness to roll over on the subpoena for Barret Brown and prentend that they were the internet's saviors by making up that whole thing about how they saved the internet from the biggest DDOS ever? This is an amazing statement: "free is distinctly unaffordable" -- what meaning of "free" are you using here? There are other things that I'd pay *more* money for if it meant the kind of free that I'm thinking of was in play... But this is 'liberationtech', right? Is the only thing you are concerned about is being liberated from your money when doing tech things? The cognitive dissonance here is deafening. -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at [email protected] or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
