This is very silly. The list would be much better served if people would restrain from "metaflaming" on stuff that's not really " a flame" - especially in this case, it sounds to me that's just another instance of "friendly fire"
Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes <a...@acm.org> +1 (817) 271-9619 On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Brian Conley <bri...@smallworldnews.tv> wrote: > +1 to the tone comments, but my verdict is still out on greenwald, though > until I see the lawyers and privacy people talking a big game (not just > executives) I would tend to believe there is more than a grain of accuracy. > > On Jun 9, 2013 6:45 AM, "Nadim Kobeissi" <na...@nadim.cc> wrote: >> >> Jake, >> I don't agree with x z (and rather agree with you), but I'm really tired >> of just how aggressive and rude you always are on Libtech. And it doesn't >> appear to just be towards me. I'm not the only person who feels like this. >> >> Even if you're right, tone your ego knob down already. Be nice. I can >> barely read through threads anymore. Thank you. >> >> NK >> >> On 2013-06-09, at 9:15 AM, Jacob Appelbaum <ja...@appelbaum.net> wrote: >> >> > x z: >> >> 2013/6/8 Jacob Appelbaum <ja...@appelbaum.net> >> >> >> >>> Oh man, Glenn Greenwald is my hero and a hero to us all. >> >> >> >> >> >> Do you still believe Glenn's reporting that NSA has "direct access to >> >> servers of firms including Google, Apple and Facebook"? >> > >> > >> > Yeah, I think it is clearly a FISA interface or API of some kind. Either >> > that or it is pwnage of the server. Probably one or the other in some >> > cases. >> > >> >> In my view, he >> >> misled the world intentionally (the few prism training slides published >> >> did >> >> not seem to claim this). Glenn is at best a wacky journalist without >> >> common >> >> sense. >> > >> > He just broke the story of the decade, good to know your views on him. >> > >> >> >> >> His reporting on the Verizon case was good, but I think his credibility >> >> bankrupted after the PRISM one. >> > >> > We disagree, obviously. You'll see soon enough and when you're eating >> > crow, I'm sure we'll have another discussion. >> > >> >> >> >> Everyone on >> >>> this list who was looking for 'some evidence' about global >> >>> surveillance >> >>> and previously ignored all other evidence, well, here you go! >> >>> >> >>> "Revealed: The NSA's powerful tool for cataloguing data – including >> >>> figures on US collection" >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/08/nsa-boundless-informant-global-datamining >> >>> >> >>> This screenshot from the program is very web 2.0: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/6/8/1370715185657/boundless-heatmap-large-001.jpg >> >>> >> >>> The NSA is spying on the US and on the rest of the planet. There is no >> >>> ability to deny this anymore. Anyone who denies it is a complete >> >>> moron. >> >>> >> >>> I don't understand why this "evidence" is significant in any way. NSA >> >> certainly has lots of information, and a web2.0'ish tool is nothing >> >> surprising. It's rather moot to state "anyone who denies it is a >> >> complete >> >> moron". It's like the highway patrol keeping my driving record. >> >> >> > >> > Why does it matter if you are surprised? >> > >> > Also, your analogy is tired and boring. This is nothing like a highway >> > patrol. >> > >> >> Again, I'm not rooting for NSA. I think its power need to be limited >> >> and it >> >> needs more transparency. But I hate using misinformation or hyperbole >> >> to >> >> achieve that goal. This hurts the credibility of all the pro-privacy >> >> groups >> >> in general. >> > >> > I don't see any misinformation or hyperbole from Glenn. I see >> > contradicting claims between governments and corporations. I also see >> > that he wanted to ensure everyone understood what each side claimed. >> > Note the very carefully worded denials all around. >> > >> > All the best, >> > Jacob >> > -- >> > Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by >> > emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at >> > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech >> >> -- >> Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by >> emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at >> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech > > > -- > Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by > emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at compa...@stanford.edu or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
