Maxim Kammerer: > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 12:01 PM, x z <[email protected]> wrote: >> Occam's razor would give us the following is what has actually happened in >> the past three days: a semi-clueless whistle blower fed an overzealous >> journalist a low-quality powerpoint deck, which met the privacy-paranoia and >> exploded. > > I agree. I also don't understand what's the big deal. It is well-known > that the NSA (with cooperation with SIGINT agencies of other > countries) scans all communication channels it can get to. By reaching > popular communication methods like webmail and social media, it is > just doing its job. What apparently is at the core of the hysterical > public reaction is that the NSA spies on Americans, who think that > they are special, and should be treated differently. The reason they > think they are special is that the huge geopolitical / economic / > military-industrial complex influence of the United States elevates > and accustoms them to a position that's completely out of proportion > with their actual value to the world — utterly un-democratic, if you > think about it. Well, your spy agencies are more democratic than you > guys — they spy on you, too. If that wouldn't have been the case, it > would mean that your military-industrial complex is not that powerful, > which would imply that you are not special anymore, which, ironically, > rejects the original premise. Hopefully someone else can appreciate > the irony as well (hence writing this).
Occam's razor doesn't work the way that it is presented here. All things being equal, the multi-billion dollar spy agency really does the spying and it was really just revealed. And yes, it really does shatter the idea American exceptionalism - that is actually the best part of the entire discussion. Americans need this wakeup call - with our drone strikes that kill people based on their metadata (eg: signature strikes) surveillance programs and with our death camp (eg: Gitmo) in Cuba. We as a nation should be ashamed of these things and the first step to such shame is the inability to deny what is being done in our name. It is now the case that it is impossible to deny the dragnet surveillance order published about Verizon. Our "leaders" have acknowledged it. It is also impossible to deny the massive surveillance as a whole - the DNI, the White House and other agencies have confirmed it. It is also now impossible to deny the existence of specific programs named UPSTREAM, PRISM and BOUNDLESSINFORMANT. The open questions are merely about scope. In time, we'll learn the details - but we need not debate that this is just the tip of the iceberg - it is obviously the case that we don't have all the details. To attack Glenn and Snowden is pointless. Without a doubt, if anyone knows less than them - it is all of us. Unless you hold a TS/SCI clearance, of course. In which case, please do feel free to speak up - we'd love to hear some clarifications on the matter! Though overall - we should all be speaking up - but lets be clear that not all voices here have access to the same information, or the same understanding even when presented with the same information. All the best, Jacob -- Too many emails? Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at [email protected] or changing your settings at https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech
