Jens, I did speak of "tangents, secants, and lines with even more intersections" between "profit" and "common good," didn't I?
But there is a huge gap, oceans of "bad" or just "OK" between those intersections, "few and far between," isn't it? Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes <[email protected]> +1 (347) 766-5008 On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:39 AM, J.M. Porup <[email protected]> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Andrés, > > I personally work with many angel investors who do not fit the "devil > with a checkbook" mold. These guys are heavily involved in greentech / > cleantech, people who are scared of climate change and are investing > money in developing next gen solar / wind / hydro / etc. > > And here's the key insight: They want to change the world. For the > better. But they also recognize that they cannot do that unless they > harness the market to do so. > > Let me give you an example. I know an angel who invested in a small > company doing R & D in nuclear fusion. Is that project likely to > succeed? No. But what if it did? Free/cheap energy for all, and a > multi-billion dollar exit for the angel. Wouldn't you call that a > win/win for humanity? > > The intersection of liberation tech and the profit motive is small. > But it's also, IMHO, a sweet spot worth exploring. Because whether we > like it or not, money makes the world go around. > > Jens > > > > On 11/10/14 19:37, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote: >> Ok, I read this post this morning, and I decided to let it "go." >> But the sun has set over this North Texas Wasteland, a "safe >> haven" for the type of "angels" this post mentions, and, with the >> onset darkness, Mr Hyde wakes up! >> >> There are no "angels" in that post! Why would anyone call "angel" >> someone expecting an obscenely high "return on investment?" True >> Angels don't expect "return on investment" at all! >> >> So please stop talking about "angel investors," unless you think >> the "hundred million dollar exit, minimum" expectation of >> Mephistophelian people are "angelical!" >> >> The fact is that profit and "common good" are most times divergent >> endeavours and, if they intersect, they'd be tangent, secant, >> perhaps even with more intersections, but - their Sims, goals, >> objectives are radically different! >> >> On Nov 10, 2014 9:49 AM, "J.M. Porup" <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Is it possible to make money investing in privacy- or >> security-focused startups? >> >> I am putting together an angel fund (in Chile, but keep reading). >> I am not an investor myself, but I'm in a position to evaluate and >> propose startups to our participating angels. >> >> I'd really like to see an investment or two in liberation tech. >> >> After watching the flame war over Espionage (*not* rehashing that >> debate, please don't shoot), it occurred to me that the primary >> business model for successful innovation in this field is >> foundation money, not end users. >> >> But angel investors want to see a hundred million dollar exit, >> minimum. >> >> Anyone working on anything juicy in this space that would scale >> globally and make money too? Or am I looking for something that >> doesn't exist? >> >> Jens >> >> >> -- Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable on Google. >> Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: >> https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. >> Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing >> moderator at [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>. >> >> >> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1 > > iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJUYdk/AAoJEGrDVsHXOmiEz6IP/0S8xbsDkDk6Y2XBlypluQnX > KeojEjXG7rrzadOOMq67p3tWKfeqGHTX8ynAzdMWoApcrWZy8Z6Hrn5jpRMLGGzd > a0h31TWIV7D2/omBnL3NCDytYMez2T6BQEDykYrAmC/WzueKTmxW0u/Ti8t3ITO+ > 6xIiOX3zU0/JbsAte5NkY7IFeZW9A0O/J+pZrSjptKRU9WzlGGzeXWSAy7BcgoEn > 0cCzwO0733BfZh20T64DfThuDJmIbO1unuTVZSJYQo+lcqRJQyrRTNBCHYIE/Pu0 > zej6yZ25b3N5DJ8Ewt0fOAJtSobd775kg/JfeoSCACzdX1iTlnEeWUmJ3I6F48Jy > RGkjoTZ0RuKTumdyVZiAxgarkH9xQIkuXuUPnXgBGOyNRTw1xIxE6ZM4lqjdcVI3 > Sgn9P5v7FdUgE3fcQB9yG6EKaHMHAOAMn6YnxERFweqCWNV0N3+11EbmYYalsjut > cKDldQXZ16Jk3Un6eyzatpyNW7eoIkQ9CI+zMjzutZFwnrZQHGniR+eZ4ZUsyajF > rdQUm85yHEdnKQ+OoeOhOs1Esy9zqhVuRyO7w91BU6j38NmpoGue0gaGNpCrSL3p > wvZYT2UFvc2YxCMl7+8Rouexm6rszD9c/FoZpMF9GO+HGK4ff7F/Y+O5nhe2ROWt > TzVMsu/FsA4qpaxm/UZY > =UpRW > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- > Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable on Google. Violations of > list guidelines will get you moderated: > https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, > change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at > [email protected]. -- Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable on Google. Violations of list guidelines will get you moderated: https://mailman.stanford.edu/mailman/listinfo/liberationtech. Unsubscribe, change to digest, or change password by emailing moderator at [email protected].
