-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 If it helps, think of it as a Venn diagram. There is one set, that of profitable scalable innovation. There is another set, that of F/LOSS that give users digital freedom. Is there an intersection between these two sets? What will we find if look?
I don't know. It is certainly a small subset, I'll grant you that. Still, worth exploring, don't you think? Jens On 11/11/14 05:00, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote: > Jens, > > I did speak of "tangents, secants, and lines with even more > intersections" between "profit" and "common good," didn't I? > > But there is a huge gap, oceans of "bad" or just "OK" between > those intersections, "few and far between," isn't it? > > > Best Regards | Cordiales Saludos | Grato, > > Andrés L. Pacheco Sanfuentes <[email protected]> +1 (347) 766-5008 > > > On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 3:39 AM, J.M. Porup <[email protected]> wrote: > Andrés, > > I personally work with many angel investors who do not fit the > "devil with a checkbook" mold. These guys are heavily involved in > greentech / cleantech, people who are scared of climate change and > are investing money in developing next gen solar / wind / hydro / > etc. > > And here's the key insight: They want to change the world. For the > better. But they also recognize that they cannot do that unless > they harness the market to do so. > > Let me give you an example. I know an angel who invested in a > small company doing R & D in nuclear fusion. Is that project likely > to succeed? No. But what if it did? Free/cheap energy for all, and > a multi-billion dollar exit for the angel. Wouldn't you call that > a win/win for humanity? > > The intersection of liberation tech and the profit motive is > small. But it's also, IMHO, a sweet spot worth exploring. Because > whether we like it or not, money makes the world go around. > > Jens > > > > On 11/10/14 19:37, Andrés Leopoldo Pacheco Sanfuentes wrote: >>>> Ok, I read this post this morning, and I decided to let it >>>> "go." But the sun has set over this North Texas Wasteland, a >>>> "safe haven" for the type of "angels" this post mentions, >>>> and, with the onset darkness, Mr Hyde wakes up! >>>> >>>> There are no "angels" in that post! Why would anyone call >>>> "angel" someone expecting an obscenely high "return on >>>> investment?" True Angels don't expect "return on investment" >>>> at all! >>>> >>>> So please stop talking about "angel investors," unless you >>>> think the "hundred million dollar exit, minimum" expectation >>>> of Mephistophelian people are "angelical!" >>>> >>>> The fact is that profit and "common good" are most times >>>> divergent endeavours and, if they intersect, they'd be >>>> tangent, secant, perhaps even with more intersections, but - >>>> their Sims, goals, objectives are radically different! >>>> >>>> On Nov 10, 2014 9:49 AM, "J.M. Porup" <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Is it possible to make money investing in privacy- or >>>> security-focused startups? >>>> >>>> I am putting together an angel fund (in Chile, but keep >>>> reading). I am not an investor myself, but I'm in a position >>>> to evaluate and propose startups to our participating >>>> angels. >>>> >>>> I'd really like to see an investment or two in liberation >>>> tech. >>>> >>>> After watching the flame war over Espionage (*not* rehashing >>>> that debate, please don't shoot), it occurred to me that the >>>> primary business model for successful innovation in this >>>> field is foundation money, not end users. >>>> >>>> But angel investors want to see a hundred million dollar >>>> exit, minimum. >>>> >>>> Anyone working on anything juicy in this space that would >>>> scale globally and make money too? Or am I looking for >>>> something that doesn't exist? >>>> >>>> Jens >>>> >>>> >>>> -- Liberationtech is public & archives are searchable on >>>> Google. 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