WHO US? ANTI-SEMITES? US? by Steven Plaut
We have nothing against Jews as such. We just hate Zionism and Zionists. We think Israel does not have a right to exist. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. Heavens to Mergatroyd. Marx Forbid. We are humanists. Progressives. Peace lovers. Anti-Semitism is the hatred of Jews. Anti-Zionism is opposition to Zionism and Israeli policies. The two have nothing to do with one another. Venus and Mars. Night and day. Trust us. Sure, we think the only country on the earth that must be annihilated is Israel. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. Sure, we think that the only children on earth whose being blown up is okay if it serves a good cause are Jewish children. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. Sure, we think that if Palestinians have legitimate grievances this entitles them to mass murder Jews. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. Naturally, we think that the only people on earth who should never be allowed to exercise the right of self-defense are the Jews. Jews should only resolve the aggression against them through capitulation, never through self-defense. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. We only denounce racist apartheid in the one country in the Middle East that is not a racist apartheid country. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. We refuse to acknowledge the Jews as a people, and think they are only a religion. We do not have an answer to how people who do not practice the Jewish religion can still be regarded as Jews. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. We think that all peoples have the right to self-determination, except Jews, and including even the make-pretend "Palestinian people". But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. We hate it when people blame the victims, except of course when people blame the Jews for the jihads and terrorist campaigns against them. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. We think the only country in the Middle East that is a fascist anti-democratic one is the one that has free elections. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. We demand that the only country in the Middle East with free speech, free press or free courts be destroyed. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. We oppose military aggression, except when it is directed at Israel. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. We really understand suicide bombers who murder bus loads of Jewish children and we insist that their demands be met in full. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. We do not think that Jews have any human rights that need to be respected, and especially not the right to ride a bus without being murdered. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. There are Jewish, leftist anti-Zionists and we consider this proof that anti-Zionists could not possibly be anti-Semitic; not even the ones who cheer when Jews are mass murdered. These are the only Jews we think need be acknowledged or respected. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such.. We think the only conflict on earth that must be solved through dismembering one of the parties to that conflict is the one involving Israel. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. We do not think murder proves how righteous and just the cause of the murderer is, except when it comes to murderers of Jews. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. We do not think the Jews are entitled to their own state and must submit to being a minority in a Rwanda-style bi-national state, although no other state on earth, including the 22 Arab countries, should be similarly expected to be deprived of its sovereignty. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. We think that Israels having a Jewish majority and a star on its flag makes it a racist apartheid state. We do not think any other country having an ethnic-religious majority or having crosses or crescents or Allah Akbar on its flag is racist or needs dismemberment. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. We condemn the mistreatment of women in the only country of the Middle East in which they are not mistreated. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. We condemn the mistreatment of minorities in the only country in the Middle East in which minorities are not brutally suppressed and mass murdered. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. We demand equal citizen rights, which is why the only country in the Middle East in need of extermination is the only one in which such rights exist. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. We have no trouble with the fact that there is no freedom of religion in any Arab countries. But we are mad as hell at Israel for violating religious freedom, and never mind that we are never quite sure where or when it does so. But that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. So how can you possibly say we are anti-Semites? We are simply anti-Zionists. We seek peace and justice, thats all. And surely that does not mean we have anything against Jews as such. --- In [email protected], "Julius No" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I did no such thing. You said it was a given that anti Zionist = anti > Jewish. I have never agreed to your baseless claim of equating > equivalence between words with different spellings. > > Quit trying to put words into peoples mouths that they did not say. > That is a form of dishonesty that in another time would have gotten > you challenged to a duel for your actions. Its that serious. > > Just so you know, My wife is of European jewish heritage from both > branches of her family. But none of the family on either side agrees > with the militant aims of Zionism. Since the basic middle of the road > aims of Zionism have been realised by the creation of a State of > Israel, (exception being the Ten thousand or more that demonstrate > every year in NYC that say there should NOT be an Israel until the > return of their Messiah) I see the need for Zionism is not there. (the > symbolic serpent should have swallowed it's tail and disappeared since > there is a State of Israel). > > Until you can show me a document signed by every living person of > Jewish heritage that agrees Zionism = Judaism I will consider your > words to be somewhere between substancially lacking in discernment or > outright lying for some unspecified future gain. > > The penalty of such is that I will no longer correspond with you and > encourage others to consider doing the same, until you apollogise, or > at least change your ways by example of consistant libertarian living. > > There is really no need for a Zionist movement any more than there is > a need for racial purity in Germany. The only real need for a zionist > movement today is if those extreemist leaders wanted to destroy their > neighbors (or trick the U.S. people into doing so) in order to steal > everything from the Euphrates river to the Med. -to have a "Greater > Israel" An idea that no Libertarian would go for, based on the > deception and fraud that would be involved. > > Perhaps that is why my wife's family are here in the U.S. and not > living in a war zone that is captive to extremists on both sides, > backed by the Military Industrial complexes of the world. > > "too dim to notice" No. I noticed. It's just that I come to a list to > exchange ideas and learn and share, not to debase my soul by insulting > others with childish insults. > > I see you still have not supplied any specific proofs of Alex Jones > spouting anything Anti Jewish. > So, are you jealous! Reduced to attacking the messenger! How Base is that? > > Have a wonderfull day! > > Julius > (This was answered hours ago but did not make it to the list for one > reason or another, so I resent it) > > > > You yourself mentioned his constant anti-zionist rants. Anti-Zionism > > = Anti-Jew = Racism. I mentioned it earlier, but perhaps you were too > > dim to notice. > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Julius No" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > So, you avoided answering your claim Alex is a Racist or is anti > > Jewish. > > > > > > I see. You do what you claim alex is doing. > > > > > > I see very well. > > > > > > > > > -- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > No, it's not censorship. It's deciding what will or won't be > > > > available on thier own property. The stupid people who wish to > visit > > > > these horribly offensive websites, can seek internet access > elsewhere. > > > > > > > > For the record.... anti-zionist = anti-jewish. Are there a random > > > > few self-hating Jews in a tiny minority who oppose zionism? > Sure, but > > > > you can find people like this in any group. There are people in the > > > > Libertarian Party who oppose libertarianism. People like Bruce > Cohen, > > > > Art Tuma, Brian Holtz, Aaron Star, etc. These sorts don't matter. > > > > > > > > His websites have nothing remotely resembling the truth. They are > > > > filled with hate, stupidity, lies, hypocricy, and baseless > conspiracy > > > > theories. The American Free Press is run by former members of the > > > > American Nazi party, bikers, etc. > > > > > > > > They are all worthless and so are those who consider anything from > > > > them to be anything other than pure trash. > > > > > > > > If the government said you couldn't visit those websites, I'd be > > > > fighting along side you. You have every right to be stupid. But > > > > since it's a private company preventing offensive materials from > being > > > > available on their own network, all libertarians should support > their > > > > right to do it. You don't have a RIGHT to visit these websites on > > > > THEIR network. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Julius No" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm very happy about this. > > > > > > > > > > > > Every one of those websites are bullshit propaganda machines > > > spreading > > > > > > outright lies, conspiracy theories, and anti-Jewish racism. > > > > > > > > > > You care to offer proof of Alex Jones anti-Jewish racism? > > > > > > > > > > I would agree Jones is anti-Tyranny, he is a bit loose with > facts at > > > > > times and is his own worst enemy as a result. That said, He does > > stick > > > > > it to statists af all flavors, be they Neocons, Zionists, and > > Statist > > > > > Demopublicans of all stripes. > > > > > > > > > > Have you listened to him at all this last year? His interview of > > Paul > > > > > Craig Roberts and many other middle of the road public > servants this > > > > > year make him sound more like Dan Rather, Mumbles, or Ted Koppel. > > > > > > > > > > I suspect the attack dogs at the State Dept. have been pressuring > > > > > corporate media to squelch Jones because Alex is learning how to > > > > > mellow, and work with more mainstream people. He is growing his > > > > > listener base every month. > > > > > > > > > > Paul, You sound Jealous to me. > > > > > > > > > > > As far as this censoring free speech.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Time Warner owns the switches, wires, and other > infrastructure on > > > > > > their own network. If they want to block access to certain > > websites > > > > > > through THEIR network, it's not a violation of free speech. > > People > > > > > > who are stupid enough to want to visit those sites can find > > > > another ISP. > > > > > > > > > > If I had an ISP who blocked any content out on the www, I > would dump > > > > > them in a New York minute. > > > > > > > > > > Content blocking sure as hell is censorship. When a business > offers > > > > > access to the www, you are not told it is subject to control > by some > > > > > hairbrained Neoconnazi at the State Dept. > > > > > > > > > > You want censorship Paul? Why don't you pitch your tent with the > > > > > mullahs in Egypt, or Singapore? > > > > > > > > > > Is that the kind of happy you want for all americans? > > > > > > > > > > Freedom is messy. Live it. Deal with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Fair play? Video games influencing politics. 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