Financial competition fosters greed and exploitation. Show me one example where it does not. One single country where a peaceful capitalism thrives. You are thinking in idealistic terms. You assume that people are naturally just and honest. fact is, that people given opportunity to abuse, will take it. Planning a political or social system can never be successful until you take into consideration human character. Communists did the same mistake believing that it is possible to condition a person to be altruistic and work for common good. As the practice has shown, people do not like to work for common good, only for their own, nor they like to share an opportunity when it arises. Capitalism on the other hand thrives on these traits. But it does not mean that the results can be positive. Financial competition without a sense of inner justice must always end in violence. To remedy, you need the laws. But... when you introduce too many laws, it no longer is libertarian, is it?
Anna ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward J. Williamson To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 9:17 PM Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... Paul, you have a way with words and of cutting right to the truth. The posts that we respond to, as we beat our heads against the figurative walls, shows just how indoctrinated, unaware, and clouded so many people are. Years of government schooling are being manifested in the ideas that government exists to somehow create a level playing field. Excellence, intelligence, initiative, and creativity are values no longer venerated by a large percentage of people. Competition fosters excellence, people have choices of products and services only dreamed about by earlier generations - and most would have us believe that it is a gift of the government, or a 'level' playing field. Sheesh! --- In [email protected], "Paul" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Capitalism has nothing to do with dishonesty. Those who commit fraud, > theft, trespass, etc. are criminals, and this is unrelated to > capitalism. Criminals are criminals and they'd exist in any system. > Though in a socialist nation, they'd be in charge. > > When I said "no harm" I ment NO harm. Nobody in the history of the > planet earth has or ever will be harmed by capitalism in even the > slightest way. > > As far as competition goes, if you can't compete, you don't belong in > the market. Competition breeds excellence. It gives us better and > safer products or services with more features at lower prices. It > stimulates innovation, productivity, resourcefulness, and creativity. > > Competition in the market does not mean murder in the streets unless > you create black markets by using government intervention to make some > things illegal. Competition in the marketplace means you learn how to > adapt or you go out of business. There's certainly nothing wrong with > that, and if you go out of business, you aren't the "victim" of anyone > but your own inability to work smarter, harder, and better than the > next guy. > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > If you feel that 'no harm' is relative, than you cannot have a > libertarian society. > > "NO harm" is not and cannot be relative. There should be certain > rules which exclude dishonesty. > > Otherwise, what else do you propose? Capitalism which nice, > unfortunately always leads to wars over the markets, or competition > will force you OUT. > > I do not think that a society where people must fight with each or > be annihilated, can lead to anything good. > > Anna > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Deus Ex Machina > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 4:49 AM > > Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... > > > > > > Anna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > The answer is simple: libertarianism which advocates for self > governing within just one law of "no harm" . > > > You do not need other laws, but this one. All decision would be > founded on this law. So, if you want to open factory, you need to > answer this question first: is product and the working conditions in > any way harmful to others. The system you will be creating by making > such informed decisions would naturally be altruistic. > > > There would be then no need for the government. > > > > this sounds like new age waffle to me. you, know the old do unto > others > > as you want them to do unto you. unfortunately some people are so far > > out there that the last thing I want is to be treated the way they > want > > to be treated. I want to be treated the way I want to be treated. > > > > the coralary is that what one person might see as harm is anothers > dream, > > so your law of no harm collapes on the shores of reality. if we > applied > > the law of no harmful products we would still be in the stone age. you > > could claim cars, planes are harmful and should not be made, which > quite > > simple collapses the economy back to feudalism. > > > > everything has at least some harm from some point of view. > > > > Vic > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > a.. Visit your group "Libertarian" on the web. > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! 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