< What do you think of the third choice I referenced: each individual artists supported via VOLUNTEERED contributions by individual members of a LIBERTARIAN society? >
Yes, this would be an ideal solution. But there had to be some rules too. In the past, art was supported by the rich people, usually religious or other aristocracy. Nevertheless, the sponsor had the right to decide, commission, and order what was and what was not be acceptable. Michelangelo was famous for being a rebel and he would argue when told what to do. But, let's face it- the art he had created under this criticism is magnificent. So, I do not see much problem with certain censorship. If art does not serve a purpose to illuminate human souls, then it is not art, and should be rejected as someone's personal fancy. Anna ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry L Parker To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:49 PM Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... Anna, the money used by govt to pay the artists is stolen. The choice is not just between money stolen by socialist govt or money stolen by mercantilist robber barons. What do you think of the third choice I referenced: each individual artists supported via VOLUNTEERED contributions by individual members of a LIBERTARIAN society? After all, if people can't be trusted to make such choices, who could you trust to make the choice for them? One more point: you and I have NO 'moral' authority to decide what is, or is not, art worthy of support by anyone other than you and I :) Voilating this principle polutes the spirituality of art thus supported. -Terry Liberty Parker http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Terry, true art is never determined by anyone but one's honest endeavors. Regardless of the system an artist lives in. > Russian art was superior not because the themes were or were not determined, but because it promoted beauty and spirituality. > In fact, most literature published in Russia was profitless. Government paid to publish and also paid the artist fully knowing it will bring little in return. > Art was promoted at every level, from factories where the free opera tickets were passed to the workers, to public museums, performances and galleries. All financed by the government. There were even special homes for artists where they could write or compose away from family stress. > At the same time, Russian education was also free and one of the best in the world. > > Artists have to be protected in every system, because is important for social health. > Anna > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Terry L Parker > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 8:00 PM > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... > > > Anna, would art be better if determined by art bureaucrats, > mercantilist robber barons or free spirited individuals > whose personal autonomy is secure? > > -Terry Liberty Parker > See what I wrote in > Envision UNIVERSAL Libertarianism! > at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/42500 > > > > --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > How do you know this? Were you ever an artist living in communistic > Russia? > > Anna > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: hrearden_hr > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 6:31 PM > > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... > > > > > > > > > > Under Soviet communism art was only what the state said was art. > > Artist in the USSR were only artist if the state said they were > > artists. Communism kills art. Art would thrive in a capitalist > > system. Art is what the individual says it is, not what the state > > says it is. > > > > $ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Under communism, art flourished. For example, neither Bolshoi > > Ballet nor Kirow could ever achieve the artistic excellence they > had > > when they were not "free". What killed art, was capitalism, or > > rather a change of goals, from a spiritual/artistic, to PROFITS > > FIRST. > > > Do you think USA has culture? > > > Please note, that culture is a foundation of every enlightened > > society. > > > Anna > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: mark robert > > > To: [email protected] > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 6:42 AM > > > Subject: RE: [Libertarian] Re: the truth.... > > > > > > > > > Anna, > > > > > > > > > > > > A gold-based economy is yet another topic. For purposes of > this > > > discussion, money is a scorecard for the amount of > goods/services > > > produced. In that sense, capitalism "values" art; artists are > > > some of the richest people. Are you also trying to say that > this > > > system doesn't value the spiritual? Wrong again. Capitalism > > > values anything that people value - the more free the market, > the > > > less the difference. If you disagree, please point to > > > non-capitalist places that have bigger churches or more people > > > with more time and money to pursue all sorts of traditional > and > > > non-traditional "spiritual" goals. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > This would be only correct if money was backed by the real > goods. > > > > > > Otherwise money is as good as the paper it is written one. > > > This is actually the situation that USA is now in. > > > > > > What about other values? A good model must also acknowledge > > > spiritual needs. > > > Where does an artist fit in your society? > > > Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > > > > > > > > > SPONSORED LINKS E government Libertarian E government > > strategy > > > Libertarian party E government procurement > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ ---- > --- > > ----------- > > > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "Libertarian" on the web. > > > > > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! 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