Or to socialist Norway?
Anna
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anna 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 4:33 PM
  Subject: Re: [Libertarian] Re: the truth....


  and how about comparing it all to American slums?
  Anna
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Paul 
    To: [email protected] 
    Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 12:13 PM
    Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth....


    Actually, I've travelled all over the world, and without exception,
    the socialist and communist nations I've been to have a lower standard
    of living, the people are desperate to earn a living, they would give
    their own mother for the chance just to live in America.  I've been
    all over Europe, Asia, and South America so I've got plenty to compare to.



    --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
    >
    > You must be joking, I have been living in USA for over 230 years. It
    is not a matter of a  personal view, but a comparative view.
    > Perhaps your beliefs are caused by the fact  that you have nothing
    else to compare to.
    > Anna
    >   ----- Original Message ----- 
    >   From: Paul 
    >   To: [email protected] 
    >   Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 7:56 AM
    >   Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth....
    > 
    > 
    >   Yes, and sadly for you, you weren't.  Perhaps this is why you have
    >   such a hard time understanding concepts like freedom, capitalism, and
    >   art.  They are more abundant here than anywhere else.  
    > 
    > 
    > 
    >   --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
    >   >
    >   > You must be then raised in USA. 
    >   > Anna
    >   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
    >   >   From: Paul 
    >   >   To: [email protected] 
    >   >   Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:39 PM
    >   >   Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth....
    >   > 
    >   > 
    >   >   Yes, I have been to a real opera.  I've been to several and most
    >   >   aren't as entertaining as a good movie.  
    >   > 
    >   > 
    >   > 
    >   >   --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
    >   >   >
    >   >   > Perhaps to you, have ever been to a real opera?
    >   >   > Anna
    >   >   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
    >   >   >   From: Paul 
    >   >   >   To: [email protected] 
    >   >   >   Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:51 AM
    >   >   >   Subject: [Libertarian] Re: the truth....
    >   >   > 
    >   >   > 
    >   >   >   Movies are most certainly art.  They are every bit as much 
    >   >   >   an artform as painting, sculpture, dance, poetry, 
    >   >   >   and dance performance.
    >   >   > 
    >   >   > 
    >   >   > 
    >   >   >   --- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
    wrote:
    >   >   >   >
    >   >   >   > Movies are not art, although they give a pretense of being
    >   an art.
    >   >   >   > It is a craft. 
    >   >   >   > Anna
    >   >   >   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
    >   >   >   >   From: mark robert 
    >   >   >   >   To: [email protected] 
    >   >   >   >   Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 12:00 AM
    >   >   >   >   Subject: RE: [Libertarian] Re: the truth....
    >   >   >   > 
    >   >   >   > 
    >   >   >   >   Giving us your personal artistic preference does little to
    >   defend
    >   >   >   >   your bizarre claim that capitalism doesn't value art.
    Neither
    >   >   >   >   does giving us your bizarre opinion that America has no
    >   culture.
    >   >   >   >   All these prove is your narrow taste. You deny the fact
    >   that the
    >   >   >   >   capitalist West produces by far the most art and
    artists. You
    >   >   >   >   deny movies, actors, music, musicians, etc. Jacob's
    Ladder and
    >   >   >   >   Dark Side of the Moon are amongst the greatest of all
    artistic
    >   >   >   >   masterpieces.
    >   >   >   > 
    >   >   >   > 
    >   >   >   > 
    >   >   >   >   -Mark
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    >   >   >   > 
    >   >   >   > 
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    >   >   >   > 
    >   >   >   >   Under communism, art flourished. For example, neither
    Bolshoi
    >   >   >   >   Ballet nor Kirow could ever achieve the artistic
    >   excellence they
    >   >   >   >   had when they were not "free". What killed  art, was
    >   capitalism,
    >   >   >   >   or rather a change of goals, from a spiritual/artistic, to
    >   >   >   >   PROFITS FIRST.
    >   >   >   >   Do you think USA has  culture? 
    >   >   >   >   Please note, that culture is a foundation of every 
    >   enlightened
    >   >   >   >   society. 
    >   >   >   >   Anna
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