Actually there is gravity when you leave the earth, it's just very little of it. The closer you get to a planet or star, the greater the gravitational force. But that's hardly the discussion.
--- In [email protected], "Anna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > < Gravity IS a natural law and you just stated that you could measure > it. > > > Nothing can be really measured. All measurements are relative. Gravity is not a natural law. When you leave the earth, there is no gravity, is there? > Gravity is created by mass of an object affecting the space time fabric. Without the object, there would be no gravity. Without a man peesent, there would be no laws. > Anna > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 5:30 PM > Subject: objective vs subjective Re: [Libertarian] Re: Socialism/Capitalism of the Author > > > --- In [email protected], Deus Ex Machina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Ok, so are you denying that we have sole dominion over our own lives > > > and body (including the organisms within them)? This means you're > > > saying that someone else can have more of a claim on your body than > > > you do. This is the exact opposite of the premise of libertarianism. > > > > > > Either that or you are denying that natural law exists. Which is > it? > > > > both. the current system already doesnt give you rights to your own dna. > > > Oh, so you're saying you're not a libertarian. That's all you had to > say. Anyone that denies that we own our own DNA, and that we have > sole dominion over ourselves (and the organisms within ourselves) is > not a libertarian. Nor would any libertarian on earth say that one > person would have any claim to the body of another. > > > > > > > > Do you deny that gravity exists or do you deny that we own ourselves? > > > > > > you can measure gravity, how do you measure natural law? > > Gravity IS a natural law and you just stated that you could measure > it. Natural rights are a subset of natural law, and rights can't be > measured, but the violation of rights can be measured. The ability to > measure something is not a requirement for its existance. Can you > measure love? Do you deny that love exists? > > > > > > > > One can not be a libertarian while denying natural law, natural > > > rights, or sole dominion over our lives and bodies (including the > > > organisms within). > > > > > > If you're not a libertarian, I understand completely. Then it makes > > > sense that you're claiming that some organism living in a person's > > > body has more of a claim on that person's body than they do for > > > themselves, but if you are a libertarian, you know this is bullshit. > > > > > > You either take self-ownership as a fact or you don't. There is no in > > > between. > > > > > > even your position is not self consistent if you claim a person as > > dominion over there own body then an unborn child should have dominion > > over its own body, just because it gets food from the mother means > > nothing. > > > > Vic > > > > Wrong. My position is 100% consistent at all times. An "unborn > child" has no rights because there is no such thing as an unborn > child. Until the moment it leaves the body of the host, it is a > biological parasite. And as I said, nothing inside my body has any > rights because I alone own my body and all of its contents. I have > sole dominion over my body and make all life and death decisions for > the organisms within the body and even for my body. Nobody else on > earth has any claim to my body, including the organisms within my > body. The combined population of the planet earth minus me has no > legitimate say what-so-ever in what I do or don't do with my body or > the organisms within. > > ALL LIBERTARIANS....I repeat....ALL LIBERTARIANS believe in complete > self-ownership of our body and everything inside of our body. > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > a.. Visit your group "Libertarian" on the web. > > b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/KlSolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
