As usual, your war mongering has taken over reason in your position. 1. The only WMD Saddam had or used were given to him when America put him in power and he was on the CIA payroll. Any weapons he did have were long gone since before America's unprovoked and illegal invasion of 1991.
2. It doesn't matter what weapons he did or didn't have, he was under no legitimate obligation to disarm for the UN or the U.S. Iraq is a sovereign nation and doesn't require the permission of the UN or the US to develop or have any weapons they choose. 3. Saddam didn't invade America. The only legitimate provocation to use the U.S. military is a direct attack on American soil or ships. Unless you can prove that Saddam sunk the USS Nimitz or dropped a bomb on Detroit, you have no provocation for using the U.S. military. 4. The United States and the U.N. (not Sadddam) created embargos, and prevented food, medicine, and other supplies from going to Iraq. America did this after launching an unprovoked, unwarranted, and unconstitutional attack against Iraq, and forcing them under duress to sign an illigitimate agreement. If someone puts a gun to your head and forces you to sign your pink slip over to them, the contract isn't valid. 5. Whether or not Saddam tortured his people, bombed them, raped them, or mass murdered them is irrelevant and does not constitute a valid provocation to use the U.S. military. 6. Whether or not Saddam invaded Kuwait or every other nation in the middle-east is also irrelevant and doesn't constitute a legitimate provocation to use the U.S. military. 7. The oil for food program is irrelevant. Neither the U.N., nor the U.S. has any authority to make "no fly" zones, to force Iraq to disarm, to force them to comply with inspections, to blow them up, to control what they import or export, etc. The United States alone started the war in Iraq and is 100% responsible for each and every single death and injury associated with it including the 200,000 who were starved to death, those who died in the two unprovoked and illegal wars, those who die at the hands of insurgents, those who died in Spainish and English train bombings, those contractors who were beheaded, the soldiers, etc. It wouldn't matter if Saddam actually had 100 nukes. That wouldn't make Saddam a threat. In fact I wish Iraq had nukes back in 1980. It would have stopped America from invading without legitimate cause. It wouldn't matter if Saddam took over the entire middle-east and invaded every country there mudering every single person on his way. That still wouldn't be a valid cause to use the U.S. military. --- In [email protected], "Geof Gibson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > As usual, your facts are somewhat mis-stated. > 1) Saddam had WMD. They were used against the Iranian military in the > '80s and against his own people in the '90s. Traces of same were > found in 2003-04 after he was deposed. > 2) Saddam invaded a sovereign nation. That is provocation. The UN, > of which The US is a treaty obligated member, was asked to help > Kuwait. Our decision to participate in no way justifies hating nor > threating the US or it's citizens. > 3) Saddam starved, tortured, and bombed his own citizens. He did > these things directly, as well as indirectly through his embezzelment > of the Oil for Food program, along with France, Russia, and Germany. > The USA has, by far, the cleanest hands on that score. > > Saddam and Saddam alone is responisble for the state of his country. > He had years and years of opportunity to be straight with weapons > inspectors, rather than play Musical WMD sites. He could have also > stepped down at any time and lived a comfortable existence in Syria, > Saudi Arabia, or Yemen, amongst other places. > To blame the US for Saddam's hatred is enabling dictatorship. > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > Saddam didn't have weapons and only threatened America after we > > launched an unprovoked war on them in 1991, forced them to sign an > > illegal treaty under duress, starved 200,000 Iraqi people to death and > > kept them from life saving medicines, bombed them daily for 12 > > straight years, etc. > > > > He had every right to threaten America and to hate America. But his > > threats weren't credible, and had no weapons. Attacking Iraq for > > making threats would be like blowing up Santa Catalina Island because > > someone there said they hate America and they think it should be > > destroyed. Santa Catalina poses no less of a danger to America than > > Iraq did. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], <boyd.w.smith@> wrote: > > > > > > From: Paul <ptireland@> > > > > Merely having weapons does not make one a threat. > > > > > > Absolutely true, but also absolutely besides the point. Having > > weapons and saying that you will use them is. Making people believe > > you have weapons and then saying that you will use them is. Saddam > > did not just have or make people believe he had the weapons, he said > > that he would use them. Indeed he did use them at a prior time and > place. > > > > > > BWS > > > > > > > > Correct as far as it goes. But what about threats MADE with > weapons > > > > that are reasonably believed to be HELD by another party. > Saddam was > > > > reasonably suspected to have WMDs and DID make threats to use > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! 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