Imo, you seem to have a poor education in history. France was still angry about losing land to Germany during the Franco-Prussian war. America unnecessarily got involved in WWI and actually prolonged the war. Because America was a strong ally of France, when the treaty of Versaille was made, it blamed Germany for WWI, which was actually started by Austria. Germany was stripped of its territories, and had very little natural resources. Then the great depression happened along with hyper-inflation in Germany. You had to pay for a meal at the beginning because by the end of a meal the money was worth less. What little money Germany had was sent to other countries to pay for war reparations.
As bad as the depression was, it was worse for Germany. The people suffered horribly, and were looking for someone to blame. Enter Hitler and the Nazi party who blamed the Jews. Without America's involvement in WWI, the treaty of versaille would not have happened. I'll concede that the spread of communism would have most likely still have overthwon the Kaiser, but this had very little to do with the Nazi party coming to power. Hitler never would have been taken seriously or gotten any support if Germany weren't suffering so badly due to the treaty of Versaille. Your claims that Switzerland isn't neutral are laughable, and your mention of Bosnia are specious at best. Switzerland stationed 11 officers in Bosnia as part of the Nato's peacekeeping force between 1996 and 2000 to work in liaison and observation teams at hot spots across Bosnia. They did not take part in any combat and were only sent because Switzerland had become part of the EU. This does not violate their neutrality in any way, but even this was met harshly by many in the Swiss government. If you support the war in Iraq, you support higher taxes, and a larger, costlier, and more intrusive government. How did you think they were going to pay for the war? I am proud of what American once was, and I love this country enough to bring that back. America was NEVER supposed to be a champion of freedom for others and has always been here only as a champion of our own and as an example of what liberty and freedom should be like. Those days have long since passed, but if we return to pure neutrality, and non-interventionism, we'll be on our way to returning our proud tradition of being a peaceful example of how freedom should be. --- In [email protected], "Geof Gibson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I support victory. Defeat would be far worse than if we had not > gotten involved. I have never said that I support the way Bush > entered or handled the war. Can you find the post? I don't think so. > I you can, then I will state flatly that I was wrong to say that. My > preferred method for handling terrorists has always been infiltration > and assassination, and a serious evaluation of diplomatic relations > with our allies like Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia. > > Your analysis of WWI and II is absurd. Germany lost the war primarily > due to Communist influence. The German people, with the help of > Communists in the media (sound familiar?), gave up on their own war > effort. Hence the munitions strike, which had nothing to do with the > US. The German revolution right after the armistice, which put > Communists in power thoughout the country for a period, had far mor to > do with the rise of Hitler and WWII than anything the US did. > Britain, after some horrible first steps, was making great strides in > tactics and strategy. The US did not need to enter the war, but > nothing we did can be considered as a cause for WWII. > > The so called neutrality of the Swiss is another tactic which > pacifists attempt to argue. The facts are, the Swiss have taken sides > in the past and participated in international economic sanctions as > well as SENDING THEIR TROOPS to participate in Bosnia and Kosovo. I > will not dispute that the Swiss are far more discriminating in their > foreign policy, something the US should absolutely be as well, but > this Swiss neutrality canard is just more Leftists propaganda. > > I have NEVER advocated 'larger, costlier, more intrusive government.' > That is why I have been a Libertarian for many years. The fact that > I can distinguish between outright propaganda (Bush lied, > unconstitutionjal war, etc.), and the way things really are does not > mean I support higher taxes, increased spending, social(ist) programs, > or unconstitutional legislation (Roe v. Wade, unrestrained eminent > domain). There are many things which are not as I would like them to > be. That does not mean I go around fooling myself, nor aligning with > opportunistic socialists masquerading as pacifists. > I also do not hate my country nor it's history, even that with which I > do not agree. The US has been the shining light of freedom and > liberty for over 200 years. Of that I am proud. I'm proud of our > people, our military, and our culture. I will not stand by and remain > silent in the face of lies and propaganda. ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
