Oh I think we can fight the non violent( at least our side is not
violent) cold war with the state without the party but having the
party will
help.
If one reason or another many of us aren't going, it would pay to
help fund the trip of those who are going who want to save the party
from the reformers, that away more people who want to attend can.---
In [email protected], "David Macko" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Reason for attending: If we do not build the party
> into a more effective tool to restore liberty, we may
> all be slaves soon. If you are unhappy with members
> of the national committee, vote to replace them.
>
> For life and liberty,
> David Macko
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "naisarid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[email protected]>
> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 4:25 PM
> Subject: [Libertarian] Re: The LP and Conventions
>
>
> Along the same lines, I have posted at my blog today the following:
>
> Should I Go To Convention?
>
> This is a question that many Libertarians are probably asking
> themselves about now. Shane Cory commented yesterday [on my blog at
> http://www.SmallGov.org/] that if you don't like the Iraq Exit
> Strategy, you should go to convention and do something about it.
>
> My response to that is, "Why?" Both LNC and staff have proven that
> they feel no moral, ethical, or fiduciary responsibility to obey the
> will of the members at convention. One need only look at the easy
way
> they have contradicted the current platform.
>
> I need to weigh the costs vs. the benefits. On the one hand, I could
> take two vacation days off of work, spend $311 ($622 for two) on
> airfare and five nights in a hotel ($445-single, $495-double, plus
> taxes), and a convention package ($359 or $718 for two). Plus you
need
> additional pocket money for transportation to/from the airport, food
> (if you buy a cheaper convention package, you will need more for
> food), liquor, and probably you will want to buy a few things in the
> vendor area - count on $300 per person. That brings the grand total
> for a couple to $2,435. If you are going to leave your spouse at
home
> and just go with a friend who will split expenses with you, you can
do
> it for half the price.
>
> If you buy a cheaper package you can save a little more, but in any
> case, unless you are local (or within driving distance), it will
cost
> you at least $1,000 to attend convention. For me, I am estimating
the
> cost to be $1,400 plus 2 vacation days (I get the fourth of July off
> already).
>
> For $1,400 I could vote on all kinds of things (including the
> platform) at the national convention. And then I could come home and
> watch the LNC and staff contradict everything we agreed to at
> convention. That sounds like a waste to me.
>
> Or, for $1,400 I could buy a new TV (for that much, it would be
pretty
> nice), or a new computer, or a variety of other gizmos. Or I could
> donate the money to a Libertarian campaign, or invest it, or buy
> something nice for somebody I love, or make a prepayment on my
mortgage.
>
> I've been to the last 5 national conventions, but this year, I think
> I'll stay home.
>
>
> Greg Dirasian
> http://www.SmallGov.org/
>
> --- In [email protected], "terry12622000" <cottondrop@>
> wrote:
> >
> > David I am ver glad you are and anyone in my state party who
will do
> > the same I will chip in to help pay their
way.
> > I got my first LP news this week since rejoining the party
after
> > 5 years, it looks like the national LP has a forum for discussing
the
> > platform and bylaws at
lpconvention.org.
> > If the LP News forum is any indication of the online forum it
> > should be interesting. They tore Misteds arguments up in the
paper
> > forumn.--- In [email protected], "David Macko"
<dmacko@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I plan to attend the National Convention, God willing,
> > > and look forward to meeting anyone else from this list
> > > who attends and working with everyone who does not
> > > want the LP to be taken over by nonlibertarians.
> > >
> > > For life and liberty,
> > > David Macko
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "terry12622000" <cottondrop@>
> > > To: <[email protected]>
> > > Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 10:56 PM
> > > Subject: [Libertarian] Re: The LP and Conventions
> > >
> > >
> > > > Un cool Rabbit, not necessary, just because a person
identifies a
> > > > problem does not mean it is up to them to come up with a
> > solution,
> > > > there is at least 30,000 other members, many probally have
> > various
> > > > alternative that just may work better than the present
system.
> > > > Indentifying the problem is just a first step, discussing if
it
> > is a
> > > > problem and discussing various alternatives are the next
steps.
> > For
> > > > now I guess the present system will have do unless some can't
> > wait
> > > > and wish to strike out on their on, for at least thiis year
> > > > Libertarians who can and are going to attend the Convention
have
> > got
> > > > business to take care of, not to let the party be taken over
by
> > > > nonlibertarians.--- In
> > [email protected], "uncoolrabbit"
> > > > <uncoolrabbit@> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Just a note, when you suggest doing away with something, it
is
> > only
> > > >> fair, and only credible, to give an alternative. What is
your
> > > >> automotive to replace this proverbial buggy?
> > > >>
> > > >> The missing alternative condems the thread to be off this
topic,
> > > >> only slightley till the alternative apears. As we can see
from
> > > >> reading the thread, it has shifted to Paul venting
frustrations
> > > > with
> > > >> California's venue, and David aparently defending his
personal
> > > >> virtue as a past deligate.
> > > >>
> > > >> I would love to comment on your threads intent, if only
there
> > was
> > > >> something to comment on.
> > > >>
> > > >> --- In [email protected], cottondrop@ wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Ok, From what I understand the major decesions of the
party is
> > > >> made at state
> > > >> > and the national conventions. What is the membership of
the
> > LP,
> > > >> maybe 35,000
> > > >> > to 40,000, how many attend the conventions, maybe 5%,
maybe
> > > >> 10%?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > There are some things best not to modernize, the
jury
> > > >> system, the
> > > >> > Constitution but doesn't making major decesions by a few
> > > > attending
> > > >> Conventions
> > > >> > belong to the horse and buggy
> > > >> days?
>
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