So the label is "not libertarian"? That's an answer? Liberals, conservatives, socialists, fascists, statists, authoritarians---they don't exist, or at least are all identical: "not libertarians." Your "answer" is laughable, and absolutely proves the point Eric was making.
j On Mar 27, 2006, at 10:51 AM, Paul wrote: > While I'm not an "extremist" libertarian (there is no such thing), > I've answered the question directly each and every single time you've > asked it. There are no partial libertarians. It's not a scale, it is > a boolean function. There are no gray areas. It's black or it's > white and there is no between. > > Your philosophy is libertarian, or it's not. If you advocate the > initiation of force for any reason other than in your own defense from > a direct attack and you're only using force against those who have > already used force against you, your philosophy does not qualify as > libertarian. > > If you support the war in Iraq, your support is not libertarian. > > If you support laws against abortion, drug use or sales, prostitution, > gambling, unlimited and unrestricted gun ownership, homosexual > marriage or sex, suicide, etc. you're philosophy is not a libertarian. > > If you support the notion of "pre-emptive" wars, you are not > advocating libertarianism. > > If you support using the U.S. military to enforce UN sanctions, you > are not advocating libertarianism. > > Having libertarian leanings is not the same as embracing > libertarianism. Being in the Libertarian Quadrant of the World's > Smallest Political Quiz does NOT make one's philosophy libertarian. > Libertarianism is defined by the non-aggression principle and by > nothing else. > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> I'm with you 100% Geoff!! Best thing to do is invite as many people >> as possible into the libertarian movement, rather than run them off >> cause they're not "dogmatic enough." >> >> Here's a question you'll never get an extremist libertarian to answer. >> >> If you want to restrict libertarianism to just the purists, than what >> label do you give to advocacies of partial libertarianism; >> basically inconsistent fiscally conservative yet socially tolerant? >> >> They hate this question. Puts them in a corner. Forces them to >> admit that deep down they are advocating exclusivity. >> >> >> --- In [email protected], "Geof Gibson" <geofgibson@> >> wrote: >>> >>> --- In [email protected], "steven linnabary" >>> <linnabary51@> wrote: >>>> >>> >>> >>>> But referring to yourself as "libertarian" (or anything else for >> that >>>> matter) doesn't make it so. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> This brings up the question of whether Libertarianism is subjective >> or >>> objective. Why would we want to discourage people who consider >>> themselves Libertarian? There are many Catholics out there who >>> support abortion. The Catholic church has not seen fit to >>> excommunicate American Cathloics who support abortion. >>> We need as many Americans as possible to self identify as >> Libertarian. >>> Let's bring them in with open arms. Once we get them to think >>> outside the two party box, the more philosophically minded can >>> introduce them to Rothbard, Hayek, Rand, etc. >>> There is no point in the philosophical Imams of Purity 'expelling' >> or >>> 'exposing' those who are not 'true believers.' This party will >> never >>> grow beyond the 2% fringe if we expect every member to pass >>> philosophical muster. >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > -- "You say to your soldier, 'Do this,' and he doeth it; but I say to my soldier, 'This is why you should do this,' and then he doeth it." --Baron Von Steuben, trainer of the American revolutionaries, to a colleague in Europe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
