Without consistency to a 'physical agression truce' the common ground for 'liberty & justice for all' in the material world just vanishes!
While MOST people, MOST of the time, on MOST issues, consciously or not, will abide by this 'truce' many seek 'exceptions' for their own causes. So, they will claim that such a 'commonality' doesn't exist; and that those who say otherwise are being absurd. Of course, people, including these 'exceptors' would NOT be able to walk out their door each day if there was no effective physical aggression truce already working. But, that observation seems not to disuade these exceptors from attempting to con other people about the matter. The truth is, that it is CONSISTENCY to this 'physical aggression truce' (aka NAP 'non aggression principle, ZAP 'zero aggression principle' and so on) which protects the 'self-ownership' autonomy of virtually all persons. Most people DO seem to inherently understand and usually apply the needed reciprocity; even if they don't know how to spell that word, let alone consciously define it. This, in fact, is the underlying principle for UNIVERSAL libertarianism; aka 'liberty & justice for ALL' So, a question to would be 'exceptors' is: what makes you think you have the right to initiate, or do a credible threat to initiate, physical force against the person or justly held possessions of another? -Terry Liberty Parker PleaseSee what I wrote at What's at the Heart of What Libertarians are Selling? at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/30419 --- In [email protected], Jim Syler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > HAH! I must laugh. And laugh. > > I don't care about the conflict. I don't care about Mr. Ireland, or Mr. > Parker. But this is an absolutely superb demonstration of something > I've been saying ('tho I don't know if I've done so publicly, for those > that would know) for years: The non-aggression principle is as easily > corruptible as any other political theory, if not more so. If NAPsters > ruled the world, they would find excuses (like this) for whatever > violence they would wish to inflict. > > > On Mar 27, 2006, at 1:30 PM, Terry L Parker wrote: > > > Ok, as per suggestion, here it is again WITH full header... > > > > btw, I don't consider this as 'infighting' but more like education > > > > --- In [email protected], Terry L Parker <txliberty@> > > wrote: > >> > >> This reply to your below included e-mail, Paul T Ireland, is copied > > to both Yahoo and the Libertarian YahooGroup forum so that there is a > > public record of your threat of physical assault which is not your > > first against me. > >> > >> I do NOT invite you to a physical altercation with me. > >> > >> I do not believe that you are competently percieving reality in > > this matter as I have never agreed to your demands that I relinquish > > ANY of the exercise of my Yahoo recognized ownership rights to > > moderate the Libertarian forum. > >> > >> Your threats of physical violence will not extort me out of my > > ownership rights. Your seeming inability to grasp this reality and > > to grossly distort representations of to what I have or have not > > agreed is becoming tragic, imo. > >> > >> Paul T Ireland, have you considered what this part of your PUBLIC > > record will do to your political career? > >> > >> > >> -Terry Liberty Parker > >> Owner/moderator, > >> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > From Paul Mon Mar 27 09:34:22 2006 > > X-Apparently-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] via 68.142.207.237; Mon, 27 Mar > > 2006 09:35:05 -0800 > > X-Originating-IP: [216.155.203.223] > > Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Authentication-Results: mta322.mail.scd.yahoo.com > > from=yahoogroups.com; domainkeys=pass (ok) > > Received: from 216.155.203.223 (HELO n3a.bullet.dcn.yahoo.com) > > (216.155.203.223) by mta322.mail.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; Mon, 27 Mar > > 2006 09:35:05 -0800 > > Comment: DomainKeys? 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Learn more > > To: "Terry L Parker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: STOP EDITING MY POSTS!!! > > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > User-Agent: eGroups-EW/0.82 > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > X-Mailer: Yahoo Groups Message Poster > > X-Yahoo-Post-IP: 65.211.249.105 > > X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: groups-compose > > Sender: [email protected] > > Content-Length: 624 > > > > > > You may allow or disallow my posts. You MAY NOT > > edit them to your own > > pleasing and attribute them to me. I don't care > > if 99 out of 100 of > > my posts are blocked. Do NOT edit them. You do > > NOT have a right to > > do that and if you do it anyway, you are > > committing aggression against > > me. You DO NOT have the right to edit my posts > > and nothing you say > > about being a group "owner" changes that. > > > > We've been through this before. I thought you > > had learned your lesson? > > > > What must I do to get you to stop using > > aggression against me? Do I > > really have to beat you so badly, you are unable > > to do it anymore? > > I'm not asking you to stop bullying people or > > even censoring them. > > I'm not even asking you to stop doing that to me. > > Just that you stop > > replacing my words with your own and attributing > > them to me. > > > > If you won't stop doing this, I genuinely will go > > to your home and > > harm you physically in my own defense. I'd > > really like to avoid this. > > I'd like you to start acting reasonably and > > responsibly. Please stop > > your aggression against me before I am forced to > > use aggression > > against you. I swear to god Terry, if you don't > > stop this nonsense, I > > will beat you so badly, I doubt you'll be > > physically able to edit any > > posts again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Genius/Idiot: Musings of an itinerant philosopher > http://homepage.mac.com/calion/blog > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
