Jim, that's a fair question, so I'll clarify. A people label being derogatory is ONE concern.
Another concern about 'people labeling' is when it obviously calls for an interpretation(sp?) in a meritorious(sp?) context. So and so iz a REAL 'libertarian' iz not.... iz so.... and so on ad-pukedom :( While some can be reasonable, imo, these exchanges too ofter degenerate to juvenile 'labeling' contests. Too much heat for whatever light is generated. So, instead, you can say things like: that person's expressed views have been consistently libertarian. that person's position on this issue is authoritarian. and so on like that with supportive data of course. This is different from saying things like: 'that child is a '5 year old' (when the child is indeed 5 yrs old) 'Sally has is a red head' (if indeed she is) 'John is a Harvard grad' (if true) But, if even the above are being said as insult or abuse it would be OFF-topic ad hominem in this forum. The aim of the policy is to focus the finite bandwidth of this forum on exploration of LIBERTARIANISM pro/con I don't claim to have said everything perfectly here, but hope that I did well enough to get the concept across to those who are being genuine. Does this help? -Terry Liberty Parker http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian --- In [email protected], Jim Syler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Um........... > > I don't understand. > > These are not meant to be derogatory labels, merely descriptive ones. I ~refuse~ to define 'libertarian' as "someone who subscribes to the non-aggression principle," as I strongly believe that libertarianism includes (in fact, is the successor to) classical liberalism. When I say 'real' libertarian or 'NAPster,' I am only trying to find a convenient label for those people who do subscribe to the non-aggression principle without (incorrectly in my view) conflating them with all libertarians. > > As Geof has accurately stated (well, implied really), MOST people in the LP can more accurately be called classical liberals than hard- core, NAP-believing libertarians, so I have to have another word to distinguish between the two. > > What's the problem here? If you have a better label (OTHER than 'libertarian), let's hear it. > > j > > On Tuesday, March 28, 2006, at 10:57AM, Terry L Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Jim, STOP the 'people labeling' ('real libertarians') and > >'name calling' ('NAPsters') so I don't have to put you on > >imposed moderation! > > > >-TLP > > > > > > > >--- In [email protected], Jim Syler <Calion@> wrote: > >> > >> On Mar 27, 2006, at 11:47 PM, Cory Nott wrote: > >> > >> > Jim Syler: > >> >> Umm...Constitutional? Isn't the Constitution an initiation of > >force? > >> >> Isn't any government an initiation of force? > >> > > >> > Yes, it is. What is your point? > >> > >> Well, I'd tell you if you hadn't deleted all the previous > >discussion > >> below (please don't). > >> > >> ::grumble grumble:: > >> > >> Alright, there it is: > >> > While everyone loves power, libertarians are aware that they > >would > >> > fall prey to the same issues and once in power would quickly > >move to > >> > minimize the ability to be corrupt by enacting term limits and > >putting > >> > the country back on solid Constitutional ground such that even > >the > >> > most corrupt President could do little in the way of harming the > >> > country. Everyone else would be more likely to slide down the > >path to > >> > totalitarianism if the powers that controlled the state at least > >> > agreed with their values to start with. > >> > >> Umm...Constitutional? Isn't the Constitution an initiation of force? > >> Isn't any government an initiation of force? > >> > >> My point is that how could "real" (in your view) libertarians-- that > >is, > >> NAPsters--work to getting this country back on solid Constitutional > >> ground? Wouldn't that be a violation of their principles? > >> > >> j > >> > >> -- > >> The great virtue of a free market system is that it does not care > >what > >> color people are; it does not care what their religion is; it only > >> cares whether they can produce something you want to buy. It is the > >> most effective system we have discovered to enable people who hate > >one > >> another to deal with one another and help one another. > >> -- Milton Friedman > >> > >> > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > >Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
