Jim, your attempt to twist the conversation from an examination of 'views' into an excuse for labeling people will land you on imposed moderation.
Stop it now! -Terry Liberty Parker Owner/moderator, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian --- In [email protected], Jim Syler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Scott is hardly what I would call a "radical libertarian." Especially > now that he's a Republican and seems to have softened his message a > mite. Who's been saying this? Not people in the LPI, I hope. Scott is > reasonable, intelligent, and articulate. Kudos to him for all he's > done. I sincerely hope he runs again. > > j > > On Mar 27, 2006, at 5:04 PM, john_teschky wrote: > > > The word I'm picking up from the voices that may or may not be in my > > head is that the Bludorn won the regular GOP vote in the primary. > > Rumors have it that, especially in the Lake County/Buffalo Grove > > precincts (where Mathias shares ethnicity with many voters, and where > > he was Village President years ago), *groups* of people were walking > > into the polling places towards the end of the day saying, "I want the > > ballot with Mathias" on it (as opposed to asking for a Dem or GOP > > ballot). Since Bludorn only lost by about 555 votes, it is very > > conceivable that it was these last-minute voters, not even sure of the > > party to which Mathias belonged, who swung the election. > > > > This information helps put to bed the misguided notion that Bludorn's > > "radical" libertarian views sunk his campaign. It appears as if the > > GOP regulars liked and supported his uncompromising libertarian > > message, but Mathias's personal network, built up over decades of > > professional politicking, swung the election. In a few months, after > > the polling data has been interpreted, this rumor can be better > > validated. > > > > All of this is too bad for Bludorn, and for the libertarian movement > > in Illinois. However, from my arrogant point of view, it serves the > > GOP right. If they want the taxpayers to pay for their selection > > process (primaries), then they will suffer defeats such as this. > > > > Guns and Dope, > > John > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "terry12622000" <cottondrop@> > > wrote: > >> > >> Are these people real libertarians or would a better term be Classic > >> liberal?--- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > >> <ericdondero@> wrote: > >>> > >>> Wrong. Absolutely wrong, as a matter of fact. > >>> > >>> Respected long-time Libertarian activist from Palm Beach, Phil > >>> Blumel says that there is absolutely one supporter of > >> libertarianism. I believe his name is Bob > >>> Collins, or something like that? Recently elected. Attends LP > >>> meetings, and is formerly affiliated with the Republican Liberty > >>> Caucus. > >>> > >>> (I may be wrong on the name. I'll check into it.) > >>> > >>> Phil also says that besides him, there are a few others who are > >> very > >>> sympathetic to libertarian ideals, and they will be meeting with > >>> these legislators a couple weeks from now at the capitol in > >>> Tallahassee, to discuss various issues. > >>> > >>> FYI, there have been libertarian supportive state legislators in > >> Florida for many years now. Past libertarian supportive legislators > >> included: Dick Graham of Ormond Beach, Mark Foley of Palm Beach, Tom > >> Feeney of Orlando, and a couple more in the Orlando area (can't > >> recall their names at the moment.) > >>> > >>> Oh, and if memory serves some guy from Ft. Walton Beach too. > >>> > >>> > >>> --- In [email protected], "hrearden_hr" <HRearden@> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> There are no libertarians in the FL legislature. > >>>> > >>>> $ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> --- In [email protected], "Edward J. Williamson" > >>>> <ejohnwilliamson@> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> quote: "BTW, there are at least 20 hardcore libertarians > >> serving > >>> in > >>>>> state > >>>>>> legislatures around the country right now as Republicans, many > >>>>>> affiliated directly with the Libertarian Party, in states > >> such > >>> as > >>>>>> Michigan (!!), California, Florida, Washington, Oregon, Mass, > >>> NH and > >>>>>> Alaska." > >>>>> > >>>>> I am familiar with the names of California's state legislators > >>> and I > >>>>> have not found one that is a Libertarian or has Libertarian by > >>> their > >>>>> political designation. Not one is a Libertarian. How about some > >>>>> names? You can't be a Republican and a Libertarian, or a > >>> Democrat and > >>>>> a Libertarian no more than you can be a conservative or a > >>> libertarian > >>>>> or a liberal and a libertarian. You are either a Libertarian or > >>> you > >>>>> are not. It is that simple! End of story! > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> There are absolutely zero libertarians serving in state > >>> legislatures > >>>>>> or in any other position while in the Republican party. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [ModeratorNote: I slipped up by letting Eric's comment thru, > >>>>>> so you get to rebut this once. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> WHO iz or iz not a libertarian is OFF-topic in this forum > >>> while > >>>>>> WHAT is or is not libertarian is always ON-topic here. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -TLP ] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > >>>>>> <ericdondero@> wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Sounds like you're sympathetic to the libertarian > >> Republican > >>>>>>> strategy. You may wish to check out the libt. GOP movement > >>> at > >>>>>>> www.rlc.org or over at Yahoo Libertarian Republican group. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> BTW, there are at least 20 hardcore libertarians serving in > >>> state > >>>>>>> legislatures around the country right now as Republicans, > >>> many > >>>>>>> affiliated directly with the Libertarian Party, in states > >>> such as > >>>>>>> Michigan (!!), California, Florida, Washington, Oregon, > >>> Mass, NH > >>>>> and > >>>>>>> Alaska. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> --- In [email protected], "john_teschky" > >>> <rockroller@> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Scott is as Libertarian as you, Paul. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> He accomplished much running as a Republican. He stuck > >> to > >>> his > >>>>>>>> Libertarian positions, yet still managed to earn the > >>>>> endorsement of > >>>>>>>> the local Republican party. If he continues his hard > >>> work, he > >>>>>>> could > >>>>>>>> very well be, eventually, the Ron Paul of Illinois. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> His switch to the GOP also played a big part in shaking > >>> the > >>>>>>> Illinois > >>>>>>>> LP out of it's dysfunction and begin it's move back > >>> towards > >>>>>>> effectiveness. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Scott accomplished much for libertarianism in this area > >> by > >>>>> running > >>>>>>> as > >>>>>>>> a Republican. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Assuming he actually WAS a libertarian (which is almost > >>> never > >>>>>>> the case > >>>>>>>>> with people YOU describe as libertarians), he sold his > >>> soul > >>>>> in > >>>>>>> hopes > >>>>>>>>> of winning and he still lost. What did he accomplish > >> by > >>>>> running > >>>>>>> as a > >>>>>>>>> Republican? NOTHING. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero > >>> Rittberg" > >>>>>>>>> <ericdondero@> wrote: > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> In case you guys hadn't heard yet, Libertarian Party > >>> member > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>>>>> current Republican Scott Bludhorn lost his GOP > >> primary > >>> race > >>>>> to > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>>>> incumbenet 54 to 46% in the Chicago suburbs. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Though, Scott did increase his vote substantially > >> from > >>> his > >>>>> 9% > >>>>>>> showing > >>>>>>>>>> as an LPer in 2004. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Let's hope his runs again for the seat in the future. > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > "The ground of liberty is to be gained by inches, and we must be > contented to secure what we can get from time to time and eternally > press forward for what is yet to get. It takes time to persuade men to > do even what is for their own good." > Thomas Jefferson > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
