Because your an individual, it would be nice if every one remembered that now and again, about themselves. You guys but heads well, but if you try I bet you can find common ground aswell, wich might be more productive... but less fun admitedly.
--- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > If my philosophy is "Republicanism" how do you explain the fact that > I despise the Religious right, and vehemently Pro-Choice, support > drug legalization, prostitution and gambling, hate seat belt laws, > would end all foreign aid immediately to everyone, oppose the > Military draft and favor allowing 18, 19, and 20 year olds the right > to drink beer? > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > You don't have to surrender the term "libertarian". Youu can't > > surrender something you don't hold. You're philosophy is only as > > libertarian as is that of Hitler, Stalin, or Pol Pot. > > > > There's no shame in you calling your position what it really > > is...war-mongering Republicanism. Embrace who you are and stop > trying > > to run from it by misusing the word "libertarian" to describe your > advocacy. > > > > I'm not an anarchist. I believe in having a government. In fact I > > believe in the same government the founders created. One that is a > > beacon of hope, liberty, freedom, and prosperity to all and the > > champion only of our own. Just like the founders, I believe in a > > small government with limited powers that never uses its military > > other than to defend itself from direct attacks. > > > > Your "side" is nothing but a few people who hijacked the > convention and dishonestly moved it out of the state of California > to keep it away from those advocating real libertarianism. The end > is near for your side. They will all be eliminated at the next > convention which will happen within the state of California. > > > > My position doesn't need to be re-thought. It's always been > > consistantly libertarian. Your side will NEVER change the bylaws > of > > the party and will be stuck masturbating each other and trying to > > change the meaning of the word libertarian...which you'll never do. > > > > You're right in that we can't be in the same political movement. I > > will continue to work in the libertarian movement and you can > continue > > to work against it. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > > > Paul, we're never going to solve this. We are going to keep > going > > > round and round and round and round. You and others here see > the > > > federal government, particularly the government headed by Bush > as the > > > greatest threat to American freedoms, I and others here view > Islamo- > > > fascism as the greatest threat to our freedoms. > > > > > > My side, at least speaking for myself, is never going to give up > the > > > term libertarian to your side. I will never surrender it, > > > especially considering that I've devoted 22 years of my life now > to > > > builing this libertarian movement. > > > > > > You will literally have to kill me first, to get me to surrender > the > > > term libertarian. > > > > > > So, what's the solution here? > > > > > > There's NO shame whatsoever, in you and others like you calling > > > your philosophy Anarchist. Why do you resist this? It's truth > in > > > labeling. Why are you so against coming out four square and > > > announcing to the world what you're philosophy is? > > > > > > We clearly cannot continue being in the same political > movement. > > > > > > And as witnessed by my side crushing yours at the very latest > > > Libertarian Party of California Convention, it's you that has to > > > rethink your position and future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> wrote: > > > > > > > > 1. There's nothing wrong with that. > > > > > > > > 2. Who cares? This is no different than the old man who ran > over > > > > people at the Farmer's market in L.A.. He was a nut. > > > > > > > > 3. Another nut whose murder had nothing to do with his > religion. > > > > Should I name the many Christians who have murdered people > here in > > > > America for each one that happens to be Muslim? > > > > > > > > 4. Borders did the right thing in not carrying something that > > > might > > > > upset thier customers. > > > > > > > > 5. It's really hard to gague his intentions after he's dead. > He > > > was > > > > most likely a suicidal kid which happens a lot and you have > > > absolutely > > > > nothing to support your baseless claims that he intended to > murder > > > > people. > > > > > > > > 6. So what? There are those who preach violence against > Muslims > > > too, > > > > just like you do. > > > > > > > > 7. Again, so what? None of this means anything. There are > > > increased > > > > numbers of rapes? What a Muslim conspiracy!!! > > > > > > > > 8. You've put together a list of 7 things that don't prove > > > anything > > > > and don't even come close to proving anything other than your > own > > > bigotry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > > > > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Mark, granted the threat from Islamo-Fascism at the moment > is > > > much > > > > > more severe in Western Europe, there are still many > instances > > > where > > > > > it is raising its ugly head here in the US: > > > > > > > > > > 1. the City Council of Hamtramac, Michigan last year voted > to > > > allow > > > > > a Muslim Mosque in the City Center to blare the Muslim > > > Prayer "Allah > > > > > Akubar" 5 times a day despite the passioned please opposing > the > > > > > proposal from the majority Catholic Polish citizens of the > town. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Just 3 weeks ago a Muslim Youth shouting "Allah Akubar" > ran > > > over > > > > > 8 college kids on the Village Green at the Univ. of North > > > Carolina > > > > > with his SUV. > > > > > > > > > > 3. 2 years ago a Black Muslim named John Muhamed in Maryland > > > shot > > > > > and killed 8 people with his rifle over the span of a two > month > > > > > period. > > > > > > > > > > 4. Borders Books, a major US Bookstore Chain just cowered to > > > Islamic > > > > > pressure and decided to ban the sale of the May/June issue > of > > > Free > > > > > Inquiry, cause it contained Danish cartoons of the "Prophet > > > > > Muhammed." > > > > > > > > > > 5. Last year a Muslim Univ. of Oklahoma student blew himself > up > > > on a > > > > > park bench outside of a crowded football stadium. Though > the > > > > > authorities denied it, most believe his intentions were to > set > > > the > > > > > bomb off inside the stadium killing thousands. > > > > > > > > > > 6. Louis Farakhan preaches his hateful rhetoric against Jews > to > > > > > thousands of followers on a daily basis. > > > > > > > > > > 7. Big City police departments throughout the US are > starting to > > > > > report a marked increase in cases of female genetalia > > > mutulation, > > > > > rape in some cases slavery of young Muslim women by Muslim > men > > > > > importing the women from the Middle East. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "mark robert" <colowe@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Geof, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we may have an evolving distortion away from the > > > original > > > > > > topic. I thought we were talking about the threat of Islam > > > > > > terrorism IN AMERICA, not other countries. I don't think > > > > > > providing evidence of terrorism in other countries (even > if > > > your > > > > > > information is all correct) does anything to establish > your > > > claim > > > > > > that it is a greater threat in America than our own form of > > > > > > religious (Christian) terrorism called the drug war. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************ > > > > > > {American jurors have complete Constitutional authority to > vote > > > > > > "not guilty" based on nothing more than a disagreement > with the > > > > > > case, no matter the evidence - despite the judge's > > > instructions. > > > > > > There is absolutely no obligation to vote "guilty" to > arrive > > > at a > > > > > > unanimous verdict. Get on a jury, stand your ground, and > > > fulfill > > > > > > its other main purpose: to counteract abusive government > and > > > > > > unjust lawsuits. > > > > > > See www.fija.org > > > > > > [Please adopt this as your own signature.] } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Paul" <ptireland@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But you cling to the utterly false belief that Muslims > on the > > > > > > other > > > > > > > side of the world who want nothing other than to stop > being > > > > > > murdered > > > > > > > and screwed with by the United States are more of a > danger to > > > > > > > Americans, than the drug war right here in America which > has > > > > > > cost more > > > > > > > lives each year than all Muslim terrorist acts ever > > > committed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You have never refuted, as far as I have read, that the > > > > > > Islamofascists > > > > > > state they want to establish a worldwide caliphate and > rule by > > > > > > sharia. > > > > > > Do you have some psychic ability to determine they don't > mean > > > > > > what > > > > > > they say? > > > > > > What about India? There have been more Hindus killed by > > > > > > authoritarians using Islam as their pretext than there > have > > > been > > > > > > other denominations and nationalities. You canstantly > repeat > > > > > > that Muslim extremism is all the fault of the US, but > > > > > > Islamofascists hate and kill everyone of all faiths > wherever > > > they > > > > > > have determined the infidel must die. How is this the > fault of > > > > > > the US? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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