I believe that if there is an orginized transnational group in your backyard, you would have to be nuts not to develop a relationship and gain inteligence on them. The CIA had links to Al-Qaida, and supported its operations in Afghanistan against the soviets incase you hadn't forgot. Do you recal the video tape phootage released showing that Sadam had warned the US of the immenant threat possed by groups such as Al-Qaida? I think at a cabnet level meeting he said something to the effect of "they are going to get it, and it will not come from Iraq, I told them but they do not listen."
>From a realist view, there should be no goverment from Syria to Pakistan with out links to Al-Quada unless it is run by inept fools. Things are very messy in reality, very intermixed for many reasons. Now how do you respond, given that Sadam was maintaining contact with us and sharing inteligence on Al-Qaida, warning us of them, and that with his ouster the power vacume has allowed the Al Qaida freindly Zarqawi network to make some operational headway with out the eagle of of the Bathist regime watching its every move in a way the US never could, and with that space is now recruiting and training more extreemists than it ever has before, how are we beter off? --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Well, I'm glad to hear you supported the War in Afghanistan. I have > much more respect for your views and yourself personally now. That > one admission tells me that you're not a knee-jerk male-hating anti- > Military guy. > > But one question. > > How do you respond to the increasing evidence that's coming out that > Saddam DID meet with Al Queda officials, and that there were closer > ties between the two groups than ever before imagined? > > The Pentagon papers that are being slowly, like molasses, released > to the public? > > > --- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" > <uncoolrabbit@> wrote: > > > > No you must not Eric, as there is a very realitic opinion that war > > is in the intrest of the islamofacists, not the west. War disrupts > > stability and order, and its casualties become poster children for > > the call to jihad. Its also important to mention that I supported > > the Afghan war, but not the Iraq war. I believe in a case by case > > view of every thing, not a wide sweeping declaration of lets go to > > war with the world. > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg" > > <ericdondero@> wrote: > > > > > > You see uncool Rabbit, that's just it. I DO believe Pro-War and > > Pro- > > > Civil Liberties go hand in hand for a myriad of reasons. > > > > > > Mostly because Islamo-Fascism to me is the greatest threat in > the > > > world, and most especially to the West, right now. If you're > > > concerned about protecting civil liberties, you absolutely MUST > be > > > Pro-War. > > > > > > But for reasons beyond that. > > > > > > Who are the greatest non-Loser consumers of prostitution in the > > > United States? Answer - Military Guys! > > > > > > Ditto for pornography. Ever see a Religious Right nut trying to > > > convince a bunch of Military guys that looking at pornography > will > > > make them go to hell? I have, and it's a pitiful site. The > > > Military guys literally tear them a new asshole. > > > > > > What's the greatest argument we have in our arsenal for lowering > > the > > > drinking age laws? Answer - the fact that we have 18, 19 and 20 > > > year olds fighting for our country, but we tell them they can't > > > drink a beer. > > > > > > What would happen to American youth, mainly male youth, if we > > > drastically drew down the size of the Military? Answer - They > > would > > > all become a bunch of woosies, being forced to attend American > > > colleges where Feminazis will indoctrinate them with their anti- > > > masculinity doctrines. > > > > > > I could go on and on and on and on. But basically being Pro- > > > Military, and Pro-Male, is Pro-Civil Liberties. > > > > > > Being anti-military is contributing to the woosification of > > America, and > > > thereby destroying more of our civil liberties. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "uncoolrabbit" > > > <uncoolrabbit@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Pro-war and pro civil liberties do not go hand and hand. > > > > > > > > I saw this on the BBC yesterday morning, it sums up the great > > > spread > > > > of liberty comming from our soldiers in Iraq. > > > > > > > > 15 Iraqi civilians were reported killed by a roadside bomb by > > the > > > US > > > > military, journalistic investigation discovered that one US > > Marine > > > > was killed by that roadside blast, the 15 Iraqi civilians were > > > > gunned down in there home across the street from the > explosion. > > US > > > > Marines stormed the home, two Iraqi survivers, a 9 year old > girl > > > and > > > > here younger brother. The boy refuses to speak, but the girl > > told > > > > how she witnesed the Marines bust in the room, her father was > > > > praying on the floor, the marines yelled at him, then they > shot > > > him, > > > > then her mother, and threw a granade under her grandfathers > bed. > > > > Video footage shows the bloddied floors, corpses and bullet > > holes > > > in > > > > the wall of the two rooms were her entire extended family were > > > > slaughtered. Purhaps they were in a way killed by a roadside > > bomb > > > as > > > > the US military reported, as the bomb did kill the one marine, > > > > leading to the bloodlust of his squadmates. > > > > > > > > If you want to claim this is about compasion, libertey, or any > > > > nonsense such as this. Tell me why Iraq and not Pakistan? > Iran? > > > the > > > > west bank? Darfur? Somalia? Think of all that money spent on > > Iraq, > > > > and consider that 50% of africans do not have clean water, and > > > that > > > > a country like Uganda could get sufficient water from little > > over > > > 25 > > > > million in well drilling. Explain to us how going to war with > > Iraq > > > > and occupying the state spread more liberty and did more for > > > > humanity than drilling wells for fresh water in Uganda Kenja > > > > Ethiopia and Rwanda? Also, keep in mind the droughts currently > > > > hitting the horn of africa right now. > > > > > > > > After that, explain to me how the US going to war with Iraq is > > > > making Netherlanders safer, and furhter more why is it the US > > > armies > > > > responsibility to make netherlanders safer. > > > > > > > > > > ForumWebSiteAt http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian Yahoo! 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