If the pledge keeps us from growing quickly or even from growing at
all, I'd rather keep it than grow with those who refuse to adhere to
those principles.



--- In [email protected], "Eric S. Harris"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Geof Gibson wrote:
> 
> > --- In [email protected], "Eric Dondero Rittberg"
> > <ericdondero@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > When Leonard Reed of FEE invented the New Political Spectrum with
> > > Four Quadrants back in 1959, he envisioned a day when "libertarian"
> > > would be as broadly defined as Liberal or Conservative.  Dave Nolan,
> > > the Advocates for Self-Government and numerous others have carried
> > > on that tradition of libertarianism being as large a movement and as
> > > broadly defined as the other two, through the World's Smallest
> > > Political Quiz and the OPH.  
> 
> I hadn't enountered the Leonard Reed connection to the 4-quadrant 
> approach before.
> 
> Can you tell me where I can find the original
article/pamplet/whatever?  
> I'd like to read it.
>  
> 
> > > If you wish to narrow the definition for libertarian beliefs,
> > > fine with me, just use a Modifier.  Call your perspective
> > "Anarcho-libertarianism" or a "Hardcore libertarianism" or a "dogmatic
> > libertarianism" or an "extreme libertarianism" 
> > >
> >
> > I think this gets to the meat of the topic.  Is the LP a broad based
> > political party with a Libertarian philosophy, or is it only
> > appropriate for those who adhere scrupulously to the NAP?  Who defines
> > when a position strays from the NAP?
> 
> Well, maybe not the meat, but something.  Arguing definitions is 
> stupid.  (I should know.  I've done it, and it was always a waste of 
> time.)  Crux of the biscuit?
> 
> > If the LP is only for the most hard core, where do all the Libertarian
> > leaning voters and candidates go who are not approved by the hard core
> > set?  Does this mean we need another 3rd party?
> 
> The United States definitely needs a political party for people who
want 
> to see government get smaller, whose candidates will get elected and do 
> it, or whose candidates will draw an identifiable bloc of voters which 
> the two dominant parties of the time will court by promising less 
> government (and frequently producing it).
> 
> The LP is not currently that party, and I predict it will not be, as 
> long as the national LP retains the oath/pledge/credo/whatnot 
> requirement for membership (and for leadership positions) and has a 
> utopian platform and the current cultish Statement of Principles.
> 
> Right now, the national LP is operating as an evangelical organization 
> seeking converts, not a political party seeking votes so that it can 
> reduce government.  And it's not even succeeding as the former.   -Eric
> 
> -- 
> Eric S. Harris
> 
> If this address ever fails, try visiting http://www.returnpath.net
>










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